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So how many people are going to pay more taxes to raise the money for the government to do all these things? In the end, it still comes back to the people. It'

So how many people are going to pay more taxes to raise the money for the government to do all these things? In the end, it still comes back to the people. It's not the government's fault.

refurb 11y ago
San Francisco has a $156M annual budget to address homelessness. That's not a small amount of money. First let's make sure that it's being spend efficiently.
- sandworm101 11y ago
  Or, rather than get bogged down in never-ending "efficient government" debates, we can increase spending today and simultaneously address efficiencies. Far too often the demand "efficiency first" is just a means to delay the actual commitment of resources.
  - knowaveragejoe 11y ago
    But what if the already non-trivial sum isn't being spent in the best way possible? It sounds like a lot of that is going to landlords in the form of rent; granted that's a burden off the people living there.
  - rahimnathwani 11y ago
    If your doesn't work, do you upgrade your CPU or re-write your code? Sure, if your code sort of works but is maybe only 50% as efficient as you want, go ahead and upgrade your CPU. But if your code is O(n^3) and just doesn't ever give you an answer, upgrading your CPU is throwing good money after bad. The current system and people are not able to solve the problem, even after spending >$22k per homeless person per year. How much more do you suggest spending, and why do you think it would make any difference to outcomes?
- rahimnathwani 11y ago
  That's over $20k per homeless person, per year[0] [0] http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-homeless-population-getting-sicker-older-6387308.php http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-homeless-populatio...
- joosters 11y ago
  Most of which is spent on rent, so it ends up in the pockets of the landowners. And it doesn't go as far as it needs, thanks to the crazy high rents. It's a vicious circle.
  - refurb 11y ago
    And you can blame the city's policies for the high rents since they've absolutely refused to build more housing.
zo1 11y ago
>"So how many people are going to pay more taxes to raise the money for the government to do all these things?" If you were to ask me, I'd say "not me". And not because I don't want it done, but because I already pay taxes with the assumption that this is what a government of a supposedly enlightened society should be spending it on. I.e. to care for its weakest members, the ones that need it the most.

So how many people are going to pay more taxes to raise the money for the government to do all these things? In the end, it still comes back to the people. It's not the government's fault.

refurb 11y ago

San Francisco has a $156M annual budget to address homelessness. That's not a small amount of money. First let's make sure that it's being spend efficiently.

sandworm101 11y ago
Or, rather than get bogged down in never-ending "efficient government" debates, we can increase spending today and simultaneously address efficiencies. Far too often the demand "efficiency first" is just a means to delay the actual commitment of resources.
- knowaveragejoe 11y ago
  But what if the already non-trivial sum isn't being spent in the best way possible? It sounds like a lot of that is going to landlords in the form of rent; granted that's a burden off the people living there.
- rahimnathwani 11y ago
  If your doesn't work, do you upgrade your CPU or re-write your code? Sure, if your code sort of works but is maybe only 50% as efficient as you want, go ahead and upgrade your CPU. But if your code is O(n^3) and just doesn't ever give you an answer, upgrading your CPU is throwing good money after bad. The current system and people are not able to solve the problem, even after spending >$22k per homeless person per year. How much more do you suggest spending, and why do you think it would make any difference to outcomes?
rahimnathwani 11y ago
That's over $20k per homeless person, per year[0] [0] http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-homeless-population-getting-sicker-older-6387308.php http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-homeless-populatio...
joosters 11y ago
Most of which is spent on rent, so it ends up in the pockets of the landowners. And it doesn't go as far as it needs, thanks to the crazy high rents. It's a vicious circle.
- refurb 11y ago
  And you can blame the city's policies for the high rents since they've absolutely refused to build more housing.

zo1 11y ago

>"So how many people are going to pay more taxes to raise the money for the government to do all these things?" If you were to ask me, I'd say "not me". And not because I don't want it done, but because I already pay taxes with the assumption that this is what a government of a supposedly enlightened society should be spending it on. I.e. to care for its weakest members, the ones that need it the most.