I think that's a misconception. FWIW I hate IDE's, and the code produced by people using them gives Java a bad name for its verbosity and idiocy. >> without t

I think that's a misconception. FWIW I hate IDE's, and the code produced by people using them gives Java a bad name for its verbosity and idiocy. >> without the toolset in Java, you're sunk. No, you're not. Try it. Use an editor, write some code. It's not rocket science.