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What the hell has XML got to do with Java? You're confusing frameworks with languages. Most Java frameworks suck. Agreed.
by axod 17y ago
What the hell has XML got to do with Java? You're confusing frameworks with languages. Most Java frameworks suck. Agreed.
- Tichy 17y agoNo, it is not a coincidence that Java and XML go hand in hand. Heavy XML usage was introduced into common Java practice to compensate for the lack of dynamic features in Java. So dynamic features were introduced (badly) through the XML backdoor. Also often XML is used as a poor mans DSL. It could have been something similar to XML (like JSON or YAML), but that is not the point. Also, the verbosity of XML aligns itself well with the Java mindset.
- axod 17y agoUtter BS. I've been doing Java programming for 10 years and have never touched XML thank god. "the Java mindset" - more utter BS. There isn't a 'Java mindset' unless you're a bad programmer who is ruled by his language instead of using languages as tools. The "mindset" you have depends on how good a coder you are. Which is the same regardless of which language you decide to use to solve a particular problem.
- Tichy 17y agoFine, then you are the exception to the rule. As for the mindset, it seems to me that at least SUN was very busy churning out cookbooks for a lot of things. Mostly Enterprise Java - if you managed to avoid that, more power to you. But I think most people tried to do things the "official" way.
- axod 17y agoTotally @ Enterprise. Horrible horrible stuff that, but really, there's some great technology in the JVM, and built in libs. And the Java language is a pretty sane general purpose language. It's fairly easy to spot all the crap and avoid it.
- scrame 17y agoShow me a java app with no xml, and I'll show you a hello world program.
- axod 17y agoThe Mibbit backend, Mibbit webserver, and everything I've written in the last 10 years, for example.