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I doubt it. Google has shown little spine so far in standing up to the intelligence community or in securing user data. They spent some legal money to defend Ap

I doubt it. Google has shown little spine so far in standing up to the intelligence community or in securing user data. They spent some legal money to defend Appelbaum and encrypted GMail data in transit between data centers, but that's all that comes to mind. Standing with Cook would be a good step for them but I'm not optimistic.

livingparadox 11y ago
I'm not sure if we're just seeing different headlines or what, but I've usually seen Google at the frontlines whenever the government oversteps its bounds in data-vacuuming.
samstave 11y ago
Unsure: Google 'appeared' to have a negative reaction to the NSA jacking their inter DC lines which at the time were not encryoted. Google will not make public claims on their infra regardless Google may stand up to the .gov but it may choose to be more quiet. Anyone that stands up to the police-state-mentality is honorable. The situation we have now is fucked. Its not "Armageddon" or anything - but the situation is fucked. Do you have any idea how many people at places like goog and fb and appl are very progressive - dont give a shit about pot, molly, lsd etc as they have all been partying and have had growth experiences due to this? a fucking ton. It is disingenuous for these companies and their employees to not have the balls to stand up to the government's over reaching BS. EXCEPT that they all share a tenuous thread of "employment status" with a corporation... thus they dont speak up. Hey Obama, you smoked pot, (That was the point), so release anyone who has ever gone to jail for pot -- or go to jail yourself? so tired of this hypocrisy
- pdkl95 11y ago
  > The situation we have now is fucked. This situation should have ended 20 years ago with the first round of the crypto wars. /sigh/ > Anyone that stands up to the police-state-mentality is honorable. Exactly. They aren't alone, either - with Apple taking first-mover risk, it should be easier for others to stand up together. It's important to realize that there isn't much neutral ground here. Now that the line has been drawn, you're either helping implement backdoors or you are making a stand, potentially at personal risk. Collaborators will not find much cover if they attempt to hide behind a Nuremberg Defense. I strongly recommend that everybody watch Quinn Norton and Elanor Saitta's amazing talk from 30c3, "No Neutral Ground in a Burning World"[1]. Most people didn't ask for the responsibility, but it's irresponsible to avoid it by pretending that technology is somehow external to politics. Everything we implement has political consequences, and we (the people implementing all of modern technology) need to start thinking about those consequences. [1] https://media.ccc.de/v/30C3_-_5491_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312272300_-_no_neutral_ground_in_a_burning_world_-_quinn_norton_-_eleanor_saitta https://media.ccc.de/v/30C3_-_5491_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312272...
  - samstave 11y ago
    I like you. We should meet up.
  - okc 11y ago
    The underlying debate isn't technological, its social and requires a more abstract paradigm of thinking - beyond "with us or against us mentality". Everyone involved has been and will be negotiating boundaries that fits with their own moral focus. > Anyone that stands up to the police-state-mentality is honorable. Theres a difference between a police state and a police state mentality. The latter is a subjective and abstract point of view, not so easy to stand up against.
AngrySkillzz 11y ago
I stand corrected on this one actually. Sundar Pichai tweeted in support of Cook.

livingparadox 11y ago

I'm not sure if we're just seeing different headlines or what, but I've usually seen Google at the frontlines whenever the government oversteps its bounds in data-vacuuming.

samstave 11y ago

Unsure: Google 'appeared' to have a negative reaction to the NSA jacking their inter DC lines which at the time were not encryoted. Google will not make public claims on their infra regardless Google may stand up to the .gov but it may choose to be more quiet. Anyone that stands up to the police-state-mentality is honorable. The situation we have now is fucked. Its not "Armageddon" or anything - but the situation is fucked. Do you have any idea how many people at places like goog and fb and appl are very progressive - dont give a shit about pot, molly, lsd etc as they have all been partying and have had growth experiences due to this? a fucking ton. It is disingenuous for these companies and their employees to not have the balls to stand up to the government's over reaching BS. EXCEPT that they all share a tenuous thread of "employment status" with a corporation... thus they dont speak up. Hey Obama, you smoked pot, (That was the point), so release anyone who has ever gone to jail for pot -- or go to jail yourself? so tired of this hypocrisy

pdkl95 11y ago
> The situation we have now is fucked. This situation should have ended 20 years ago with the first round of the crypto wars. /sigh/ > Anyone that stands up to the police-state-mentality is honorable. Exactly. They aren't alone, either - with Apple taking first-mover risk, it should be easier for others to stand up together. It's important to realize that there isn't much neutral ground here. Now that the line has been drawn, you're either helping implement backdoors or you are making a stand, potentially at personal risk. Collaborators will not find much cover if they attempt to hide behind a Nuremberg Defense. I strongly recommend that everybody watch Quinn Norton and Elanor Saitta's amazing talk from 30c3, "No Neutral Ground in a Burning World"[1]. Most people didn't ask for the responsibility, but it's irresponsible to avoid it by pretending that technology is somehow external to politics. Everything we implement has political consequences, and we (the people implementing all of modern technology) need to start thinking about those consequences. [1] https://media.ccc.de/v/30C3_-_5491_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312272300_-_no_neutral_ground_in_a_burning_world_-_quinn_norton_-_eleanor_saitta https://media.ccc.de/v/30C3_-_5491_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312272...
- samstave 11y ago
  I like you. We should meet up.
- okc 11y ago
  The underlying debate isn't technological, its social and requires a more abstract paradigm of thinking - beyond "with us or against us mentality". Everyone involved has been and will be negotiating boundaries that fits with their own moral focus. > Anyone that stands up to the police-state-mentality is honorable. Theres a difference between a police state and a police state mentality. The latter is a subjective and abstract point of view, not so easy to stand up against.

AngrySkillzz 11y ago

I stand corrected on this one actually. Sundar Pichai tweeted in support of Cook.