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The Ruby Code of Conduct

14 points by mrstorm 11y ago

asfarley 11y ago
that's a pretty short CoC
ivraatiems 11y ago
I like this. It's got a good "founding document" feel to it. It doesn't take sides. It allows reasonable accommodation for situation and person. I would be concerned that some may not feel protected enough by its language; it doesn't really say what the punishment is for not according by it. I wonder what the development process for it involved.
- hga 11y ago
  See my other comment, but matz specifically eschewed enforcement provisions. See https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004 and e.g. search on his name, also skim to get a general idea about how it all happened.
gozur88 11y ago
>Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. There's a lot of room for rules lawyering in that one.
- hga 11y ago
  The connotations of "Code of Conduct" might be overstating what this ended up being. In the initial discussion matz was emphatic that there would be no formal enforcement mechanisms associated with the code, and he then announced it with the comment "I hope it works. We may upgrade it if something happens." (https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004). My interpretation is that it's a minimal formalization of "Matz is Nice And So We Are Nice" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINASWAN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINASWAN), likely at least in part aspirational like MANISWAN, and that rules lawyering and the like will not be viewed kindly.
kkirsche 11y ago
Not opposed to code of conducts but why the big rush to them. Communities have been Annd continue to be fine without them. Can we just stop over policing everything and just get stuff done?
- sedatk 11y ago
  You've never been subject to a misconduct have you
wkimeria 11y ago
Sorry, this is weak sauce, especially "When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions". Here is what a comprehensive Code of Conduct looks like (from NodeJS) https://github.com/nodejs/node/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://github.com/nodejs/node/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.m...
- 13thLetter 11y ago
  Having one code of conduct subcontract out its definitions to another code of conduct on a completely different site is a pretty bad design pattern.

14 points by mrstorm 11y ago

that's a pretty short CoC

I like this. It's got a good "founding document" feel to it. It doesn't take sides. It allows reasonable accommodation for situation and person. I would be concerned that some may not feel protected enough by its language; it doesn't really say what the punishment is for not according by it. I wonder what the development process for it involved.

hga 11y ago
See my other comment, but matz specifically eschewed enforcement provisions. See https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004 and e.g. search on his name, also skim to get a general idea about how it all happened.

gozur88 11y ago

>Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. There's a lot of room for rules lawyering in that one.

hga 11y ago
The connotations of "Code of Conduct" might be overstating what this ended up being. In the initial discussion matz was emphatic that there would be no formal enforcement mechanisms associated with the code, and he then announced it with the comment "I hope it works. We may upgrade it if something happens." (https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004). My interpretation is that it's a minimal formalization of "Matz is Nice And So We Are Nice" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINASWAN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINASWAN), likely at least in part aspirational like MANISWAN, and that rules lawyering and the like will not be viewed kindly.

kkirsche 11y ago

Not opposed to code of conducts but why the big rush to them. Communities have been Annd continue to be fine without them. Can we just stop over policing everything and just get stuff done?

sedatk 11y ago
You've never been subject to a misconduct have you

wkimeria 11y ago

Sorry, this is weak sauce, especially "When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions". Here is what a comprehensive Code of Conduct looks like (from NodeJS) https://github.com/nodejs/node/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://github.com/nodejs/node/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.m...

13thLetter 11y ago
Having one code of conduct subcontract out its definitions to another code of conduct on a completely different site is a pretty bad design pattern.