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> It's natural to cheer for your team and boo the other team. I wouldn't take too much offense. It is a primitive behaviour because it fosters racism and hatre

> It's natural to cheer for your team and boo the other team. I wouldn't take too much offense. It is a primitive behaviour because it fosters racism and hatred for others instead of cooperation. The one thing we do not need more of right now is hatred, there's enough of it in the world. Edit: It is also one thing if a private person holds his opinion (however detestable it might be - I don't care) and if we get this shoved down our throats on a large scale via all types of media and politicians. The latter is what I feel is offending.

dvt 11y ago
Even from an artificial game theoretic perspective, cooperation is often not the optimal choice. I'd say that in real life, even more so.
- danharaj 11y ago
  Especially from an artificial game theoretic perspective. Real life observations of human beings consistently show higher levels of cooperation than rational choice theory predicts alone. You are taking for granted the vast amount of cooperation and trust that goes into your society. It's so seamless that nobody notices it. People notice competition because it's more obvious when people are in conflict than when they are in harmony.
  - dahauns 11y ago
    If you want predictions that hold in reality, you really shouldn't look at rational choice theory...
  - dvt 11y ago
    I used the modifier even, because I can trivially fabricate a game where cooperation yields a negative outcome for both (or all) players -- so I was discounting those kinds of games. Real life and games based on real life tend to be less artificial, but your point is well-taken.
- DominikR 11y ago
  Sure, if your view is that of a sociopath. Without cooperation you'd be sitting on a tree. There'd be no society, institutions, states, healthcare, education, families and friendships without cooperation.
  - dvt 11y ago
    I think you grossly misunderstood my point. Furthermore, entire social theories are built on the idea that selfishness is the driving force behind all human behavior. I could quote Nietzsche or Schopenhauer, but there are also contemporary examples (Dawkins and Singer, to name a few). I don't know if I agree with them or not, but there's plenty of conceptual drilling to do before dismissing them as "sociopaths."

dvt 11y ago

Even from an artificial game theoretic perspective, cooperation is often not the optimal choice. I'd say that in real life, even more so.

danharaj 11y ago
Especially from an artificial game theoretic perspective. Real life observations of human beings consistently show higher levels of cooperation than rational choice theory predicts alone. You are taking for granted the vast amount of cooperation and trust that goes into your society. It's so seamless that nobody notices it. People notice competition because it's more obvious when people are in conflict than when they are in harmony.
- dahauns 11y ago
  If you want predictions that hold in reality, you really shouldn't look at rational choice theory...
- dvt 11y ago
  I used the modifier even, because I can trivially fabricate a game where cooperation yields a negative outcome for both (or all) players -- so I was discounting those kinds of games. Real life and games based on real life tend to be less artificial, but your point is well-taken.
DominikR 11y ago
Sure, if your view is that of a sociopath. Without cooperation you'd be sitting on a tree. There'd be no society, institutions, states, healthcare, education, families and friendships without cooperation.
- dvt 11y ago
  I think you grossly misunderstood my point. Furthermore, entire social theories are built on the idea that selfishness is the driving force behind all human behavior. I could quote Nietzsche or Schopenhauer, but there are also contemporary examples (Dawkins and Singer, to name a few). I don't know if I agree with them or not, but there's plenty of conceptual drilling to do before dismissing them as "sociopaths."