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> It's all just bullshit, and I don't have time to deal with bullshit like that It's bullshit to you, but it doesn't make Linux bullshit - others prioritise di

> It's all just bullshit, and I don't have time to deal with bullshit like that It's bullshit to you, but it doesn't make Linux bullshit - others prioritise different aspects. You care about HiDPI - perhaps you are a designer, so it's important. But, you're not everyone. For example, I have no need for HiDPI and I personally have much more focus on the power and control Linux gives me. I wouldn't want HiDPI if I had to give up a proper Window Manager. Your choice is fair enough, but it's no more than a personal preference.

sjwright 11y ago
He might not "be everyone" but his priorities are relevant to more people than your priorities by a factor of perhaps 100:1 or more. I haven't met a single person that didn't immediately appreciate the benefits of HiDPI when they saw it.
- tingol 11y ago
  Well you sure convinced me with your accurate statistics. You talk of benefits as if higher dpi cures cancer, it looks better and that's it. I really don't know what the big deal is, I have a HiDPI screen, works fine under linux as most of my work is done in terminals all I've had to "configure" was turning off hinting for my emulators and that was that. But they are waay more important things I would like from my machine so there's no need to be condescending just because you and your friends were impressed by the high res screens.
  - sjwright 11y ago
    You seriously think more than 1% of computer users care about some esoteric configuration flexibility of a Linux window manager? How insular is your view of the world? Oh, and higher DPI cures cancer.
  - askafriend 11y ago
    I honestly don't care what "hinting for my emulators" means or why it matters that it's off. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I just want to get work done in a sane way. Linux is insane to any normal human being.
    - mbrock 11y ago
      Since when is this a forum for normal human beings?
      - sjwright 11y ago
        It's certainly not a forum for one single particular type of computer enthusiast.
        mbrock 11y ago
        Right... which makes it kind of ridiculous to claim that any mention of configuring Linux to work with HiDPI is "bullshit." Because there are a lot of Linux enthusiasts here.
        sjwright 11y ago
        Far be it for me to defend somebody else's words, but I happen to entirely agree with askafriend when he described the manual tinkering required to get HiDPI functioning well as "things that I don't want to deal with. It's all just bullshit, and I don't have time to deal with bullshit like that. I really just don't want to even think about stuff like that. Not even a tiny bit, not even for a second." There are indeed a lot of Linux enthusiasts here, myself included, but being a Linux enthusiast doesn't mean we all want to act as systems integrator all the time.
        mbrock 11y ago
        This was a pointless squabble to begin with. I just reacted to "askafriend"'s way of arguing against my non-argumentative semi-helpful anecdote... because I think it's really tedious that mere mentions of Linux configurations can turn into a flame war... it also struck me as a little odd to be so ferociously reluctant to engage in any kind of computer configuration, "for even a second", on a forum about hacking. I happen to see a lot of value in the availability of a free and open operating system, so I take offense when people rail against it in this sweeping way. Yeah, it's not polished perfect like Apple's products (let's imagine that they don't have any tedious bullshit problems), but it's free software and a community effort. So when people say it's "insane for any normal human being" to use it... eh, that pushes my buttons. If you install Postgres, you have to mess around with some configuration files. Some people might consider that tedious, painful, horrible bullshit. I just see it as a necessary reality, and I don't whine condescendingly at people who offer advice or anecdotes.
- jhildings 11y ago
  Well if the tradeoff is to use a lesser OS or desktop environment compared to for example Fluxbox then it could be worth it ?

sjwright 11y ago

He might not "be everyone" but his priorities are relevant to more people than your priorities by a factor of perhaps 100:1 or more. I haven't met a single person that didn't immediately appreciate the benefits of HiDPI when they saw it.

tingol 11y ago
Well you sure convinced me with your accurate statistics. You talk of benefits as if higher dpi cures cancer, it looks better and that's it. I really don't know what the big deal is, I have a HiDPI screen, works fine under linux as most of my work is done in terminals all I've had to "configure" was turning off hinting for my emulators and that was that. But they are waay more important things I would like from my machine so there's no need to be condescending just because you and your friends were impressed by the high res screens.
- sjwright 11y ago
  You seriously think more than 1% of computer users care about some esoteric configuration flexibility of a Linux window manager? How insular is your view of the world? Oh, and higher DPI cures cancer.
- askafriend 11y ago
  I honestly don't care what "hinting for my emulators" means or why it matters that it's off. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I just want to get work done in a sane way. Linux is insane to any normal human being.
  - mbrock 11y ago
    Since when is this a forum for normal human beings?
    - sjwright 11y ago
      It's certainly not a forum for one single particular type of computer enthusiast.
      - mbrock 11y ago
        Right... which makes it kind of ridiculous to claim that any mention of configuring Linux to work with HiDPI is "bullshit." Because there are a lot of Linux enthusiasts here.
        sjwright 11y ago
        Far be it for me to defend somebody else's words, but I happen to entirely agree with askafriend when he described the manual tinkering required to get HiDPI functioning well as "things that I don't want to deal with. It's all just bullshit, and I don't have time to deal with bullshit like that. I really just don't want to even think about stuff like that. Not even a tiny bit, not even for a second." There are indeed a lot of Linux enthusiasts here, myself included, but being a Linux enthusiast doesn't mean we all want to act as systems integrator all the time.
        mbrock 11y ago
        This was a pointless squabble to begin with. I just reacted to "askafriend"'s way of arguing against my non-argumentative semi-helpful anecdote... because I think it's really tedious that mere mentions of Linux configurations can turn into a flame war... it also struck me as a little odd to be so ferociously reluctant to engage in any kind of computer configuration, "for even a second", on a forum about hacking. I happen to see a lot of value in the availability of a free and open operating system, so I take offense when people rail against it in this sweeping way. Yeah, it's not polished perfect like Apple's products (let's imagine that they don't have any tedious bullshit problems), but it's free software and a community effort. So when people say it's "insane for any normal human being" to use it... eh, that pushes my buttons. If you install Postgres, you have to mess around with some configuration files. Some people might consider that tedious, painful, horrible bullshit. I just see it as a necessary reality, and I don't whine condescendingly at people who offer advice or anecdotes.
jhildings 11y ago
Well if the tradeoff is to use a lesser OS or desktop environment compared to for example Fluxbox then it could be worth it ?