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I'm highly skeptical that matters this time around. The Republican candidates are so bad that this would practically be a free ride for Sanders. Can you imagine

by qrendel 11y ago

I'm highly skeptical that matters this time around. The Republican candidates are so bad that this would practically be a free ride for Sanders. Can you imagine Sanders losing to Trump, if Trump gets the Repub. nomination? Losing to Cruz? If he runs against Kasich, or even Rubio, he might have a problem, but against the rest it's practically a free win for whomever the Dems want to nominate. Sanders does excellently with independent voters, Trump does terribly outside of his 35% subset of committed Republicans. This is possibly the single best chance to get a guy like Sanders into the presidency that will happen for a long, long time. If the party does override a popular vote for Sanders, I think it will almost certainly be to protect the interests of donors to incumbent Democrats, many of whom will be superdelegates, rather than any honest concern about "electability."

orangecat 11y ago
Can you imagine Sanders losing to Trump, if Trump gets the Repub. nomination? I'd put that at about even money. Losing to Cruz? Absolutely yes. If you're a typical HN reader, you're in a filter bubble where "democratic socialism" sounds way better than it does to the average American. I do agree that the Democratic establishment is blatantly in the tank for Clinton, who isn't particularly electable herself.
- qrendel 11y ago
  Sanders is currently beating Trump 49.7% to 40% in polls.[1] Admittedly it is a long way to November, but with all the stuff Trump has said and done, the campaign against him practically writes itself. He has his own party calling him a liberal democrat while there's an endless number of clips of his incessantly racist, sexist, jingoist comments, on top of zero experience in government and four past bankruptcies. Cruz I'm less sure about (Sanders still has 3% lead, and 5.3% over Bush, -1% to Rubio), but I'll gladly take that even money bet if it ends up being Trump vs. Sanders. :) A far worse scenario is that it ends up being Sanders vs. Trump vs. Bloomberg, Bloomberg siphons disproportionately more votes away from Sanders, and we do end up with a President Trump - plus Republicans retain control of Congress and Trump gets to appoint the next SCOTUS justice. A Trump presidency with control of all three branches of government would be scary indeed. [1] http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/ge...
  - jqm 11y ago
    I really wish people would quit with the "Trump scary" thing. Lots of people agree with a lot of what he says. He isn't manifestly wrong on everything. Because you have a different opinion doesn't make it a fact and it is becoming paraded around like one.
    - qrendel 11y ago
      The scary parts, for me, are when he talks about things like Mexico "sending their rapists here," climate change being "invented by the Chinese to hurt US manufacturing," wanting to bring back torture and do "a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding," feeds the birther movement by claiming that Obama isn't a US citizen, responds to religious extremism by saying "you have to take out their families" and defends the tactic of "murdering women and children." I don't know how else to respond except to say that I strongly disagree, and think many other people would find the idea of him leading three unified branches of government scary as well.
      - jqm 11y ago
        Sound bites taken out of context are pretty easy to do with Trump. But this is hardly the place for political flame wars.
  - dawnbreez 11y ago
    I have heard it argued that Trump's negafive publicity and overreaching plans ("Build a wall! Make Mexico pay for it! Shut down the Internet!") aren't meant to be serious solutions as much as they are meant to get attention. Nobody's building a wall, but they're damn well talking about immigration now.
- ScottBurson 11y ago
  Here's a Republican who disagrees with you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11096355 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11096355 "I voted for Bush twice, McCain, and Romney, and I'll vote for either Hillary or Bernie (two candidates I can't stand) over Trump, and I'm far from alone."
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by qrendel 11y ago

orangecat 11y ago

Can you imagine Sanders losing to Trump, if Trump gets the Repub. nomination? I'd put that at about even money. Losing to Cruz? Absolutely yes. If you're a typical HN reader, you're in a filter bubble where "democratic socialism" sounds way better than it does to the average American. I do agree that the Democratic establishment is blatantly in the tank for Clinton, who isn't particularly electable herself.

qrendel 11y ago
Sanders is currently beating Trump 49.7% to 40% in polls.[1] Admittedly it is a long way to November, but with all the stuff Trump has said and done, the campaign against him practically writes itself. He has his own party calling him a liberal democrat while there's an endless number of clips of his incessantly racist, sexist, jingoist comments, on top of zero experience in government and four past bankruptcies. Cruz I'm less sure about (Sanders still has 3% lead, and 5.3% over Bush, -1% to Rubio), but I'll gladly take that even money bet if it ends up being Trump vs. Sanders. :) A far worse scenario is that it ends up being Sanders vs. Trump vs. Bloomberg, Bloomberg siphons disproportionately more votes away from Sanders, and we do end up with a President Trump - plus Republicans retain control of Congress and Trump gets to appoint the next SCOTUS justice. A Trump presidency with control of all three branches of government would be scary indeed. [1] http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/ge...
- jqm 11y ago
  I really wish people would quit with the "Trump scary" thing. Lots of people agree with a lot of what he says. He isn't manifestly wrong on everything. Because you have a different opinion doesn't make it a fact and it is becoming paraded around like one.
  - qrendel 11y ago
    The scary parts, for me, are when he talks about things like Mexico "sending their rapists here," climate change being "invented by the Chinese to hurt US manufacturing," wanting to bring back torture and do "a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding," feeds the birther movement by claiming that Obama isn't a US citizen, responds to religious extremism by saying "you have to take out their families" and defends the tactic of "murdering women and children." I don't know how else to respond except to say that I strongly disagree, and think many other people would find the idea of him leading three unified branches of government scary as well.
    - jqm 11y ago
      Sound bites taken out of context are pretty easy to do with Trump. But this is hardly the place for political flame wars.
- dawnbreez 11y ago
  I have heard it argued that Trump's negafive publicity and overreaching plans ("Build a wall! Make Mexico pay for it! Shut down the Internet!") aren't meant to be serious solutions as much as they are meant to get attention. Nobody's building a wall, but they're damn well talking about immigration now.
ScottBurson 11y ago
Here's a Republican who disagrees with you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11096355 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11096355 "I voted for Bush twice, McCain, and Romney, and I'll vote for either Hillary or Bernie (two candidates I can't stand) over Trump, and I'm far from alone."

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