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Rest assured that this mystery will be solved. Petabytes of data? Please give it to Google so they can add it to Google Maps. The fact that we can't successfull

Rest assured that this mystery will be solved. Petabytes of data? Please give it to Google so they can add it to Google Maps. The fact that we can't successfully crowd-source this search is indicative of our having very incomplete maps of the ocean floor. Eventually (could be a hundred years but I expect less) there will be a swarm of autonomous submersible robots doing detailed scans. They will find all kinds of interesting things - including MH370.

0xffff2 11y ago
>Please give it to Google so they can add it to Google Maps. What do you think "add[ing] it to Google Maps" would accomplish? What makes you think the data analysis is easily crowd-sourced? I.e, what makes you think that analyzing the data requires no special experience or expertise? >there will be a swarm of autonomous submersible robots doing detailed scans Why? What would be the economic case for doing this? Building machines that work at the extreme depths of the sea floor is incredibly hard. The search for a single lost airplane (and it really is just the one, not a single other commercial airliner is unaccounted for) certainly isn't going to fund this pipe dream.
- hueving 11y ago
  >Why? Gold lost on sunken ships!
  - intrasight 11y ago
    yes, that would be incentive enough
- gherkin0 11y ago
  > What do you think "add[ing] it to Google Maps" would accomplish? Give us better publicly-accessible seafloor maps for that bit of ocean? >> there will be a swarm of autonomous submersible robots doing detailed scans > Why? What would be the economic case for doing this? Immediately? Who knows. He did qualify his statement with an "eventually/100 years," though. I can imagine such robots would be useful for environmental monitoring, mineral prospecting, and defense reasons. Especially if the cost decreases. IIRC, there already are automated scientific buoys that drift with the currents, do programmed dives, and transmit their measurements by satellite. Edit: here is a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_glider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_glider Edit2: here is a paper about installing mapping sonar in such a vehicle: http://www.physics.mun.ca/~bdeyoung/Zhou_Icebergs_2014.pdf http://www.physics.mun.ca/~bdeyoung/Zhou_Icebergs_2014.pdf
outworlder 11y ago
In a hundred years I expect the wreckage to be found, even by accident. That's a moot point though, as in a hundred years, the relatives will be no longer alive and noone will care too much.
- intrasight 11y ago
  I disagree. Historians, scientists, engineers, prospectors, etc. will be thinking about this for a LONG time.
creade 11y ago
Tomnod has been trying this since I think right after the plane went missing: http://www.tomnod.com/campaign/mh370_indian_ocean http://www.tomnod.com/campaign/mh370_indian_ocean
- 0xffff2 11y ago
  The obvious difference being that Tomnod is focused on actual imagery of the surface of the Earth, something that most people are already familiar with thanks to Google Maps et al., and even so AFAIK the project produced many false positives and no actual hits. I have no idea what format the sonar data is in, but I highly suspect that it is not in the form of familiar imagery in which parts of a commercial airliner would be readily identified by untrained observers.

0xffff2 11y ago

>Please give it to Google so they can add it to Google Maps. What do you think "add[ing] it to Google Maps" would accomplish? What makes you think the data analysis is easily crowd-sourced? I.e, what makes you think that analyzing the data requires no special experience or expertise? >there will be a swarm of autonomous submersible robots doing detailed scans Why? What would be the economic case for doing this? Building machines that work at the extreme depths of the sea floor is incredibly hard. The search for a single lost airplane (and it really is just the one, not a single other commercial airliner is unaccounted for) certainly isn't going to fund this pipe dream.

hueving 11y ago
>Why? Gold lost on sunken ships!
- intrasight 11y ago
  yes, that would be incentive enough
gherkin0 11y ago
> What do you think "add[ing] it to Google Maps" would accomplish? Give us better publicly-accessible seafloor maps for that bit of ocean? >> there will be a swarm of autonomous submersible robots doing detailed scans > Why? What would be the economic case for doing this? Immediately? Who knows. He did qualify his statement with an "eventually/100 years," though. I can imagine such robots would be useful for environmental monitoring, mineral prospecting, and defense reasons. Especially if the cost decreases. IIRC, there already are automated scientific buoys that drift with the currents, do programmed dives, and transmit their measurements by satellite. Edit: here is a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_glider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_glider Edit2: here is a paper about installing mapping sonar in such a vehicle: http://www.physics.mun.ca/~bdeyoung/Zhou_Icebergs_2014.pdf http://www.physics.mun.ca/~bdeyoung/Zhou_Icebergs_2014.pdf

outworlder 11y ago

In a hundred years I expect the wreckage to be found, even by accident. That's a moot point though, as in a hundred years, the relatives will be no longer alive and noone will care too much.

intrasight 11y ago
I disagree. Historians, scientists, engineers, prospectors, etc. will be thinking about this for a LONG time.

creade 11y ago

Tomnod has been trying this since I think right after the plane went missing: http://www.tomnod.com/campaign/mh370_indian_ocean http://www.tomnod.com/campaign/mh370_indian_ocean

0xffff2 11y ago
The obvious difference being that Tomnod is focused on actual imagery of the surface of the Earth, something that most people are already familiar with thanks to Google Maps et al., and even so AFAIK the project produced many false positives and no actual hits. I have no idea what format the sonar data is in, but I highly suspect that it is not in the form of familiar imagery in which parts of a commercial airliner would be readily identified by untrained observers.