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What Do You Think? Y Combinator vs. Grad School

10 points by suzyperplexus 17y ago

_delirium 17y ago
As with the previous post, this seems to be missing the point that grad school isn't really about the same thing as YCombinator. Grad school is about advancing the state of scientific knowledge, which might result in useful products or services, but not necessarily, and often not in the short-term. Startups are about producing useful products or services, getting them to market, and monetizing them, which might result in scientific advances, but not necessarily, and often you actually hope not to need any (needing to solve an open scientific question in the critical path to getting a product out the door is a huge risk).
scs237 17y ago
I think about this questions sometimes for my future. Can anyone who has experienced both offer their thoughts?
- thumper 17y ago
  I jumped over this fence a few times, having done a startup after college, then did consulting for years, then dove into grad school to find out what "research" was really all about. I'm still in grad school, but just really took a job working at an industry research lab. There isn't a clear cut answer because so much depends on your personality and what you want to get out of life. What I can definitively say: if you've been out of school for a few years, getting an MS in CS is totally worth it. I learned so much about the "new stuff" that I never got around to when I was working, and the bigger toolbox has already paid off for me. Beyond that, I sort of agree with other posters, but I'm a little more cynical about the long-term vs short-term aims of academia. I'm finding that my startup sensibilities work well for guiding my efforts in a PhD, but this is because I've come believe that grad school is essentially a machine for conferring reputation from professors to students. Keep in mind that even when your advisor gives you a lot of latitude (and that'll take years), you're still not your own boss... and that can suck if you're older than the average student. Of course, working in a research lab has similar issues. You don't completely get to set your direction, there's a big bureaucracy, and you have to work hard to get people to understand your work. Out of everything I've done, being in a startup where we all shared The Dream was the best.
dasil003 17y ago
You'll probably get a biased view on a Ycombinator forum, but I think in essence the decision is pretty easy: If you like to go deep into problems, conducting basic science, and attempting to solve fundamentally difficult problems that may ultimately be intractable, and if deadlines stress you out and you feel like you don't get a chance to do anything "right" and if you have the ability to focus on the same thing for months or years at time, then grad school will probably suit you well. On the other hand, if you more interested in getting tangible results fast, and getting other people interested in what your doing, and providing a product that regular people find valuable, and you're willing to change direction a lot and throw out good work for no other reason than that market isn't biting, then doing a startup will probably suit you well.
milod 17y ago
I think if you are asking yourself and others this question then you aren't ready for either. My advice for anyone who is confused about this is to get a job in your field of study first, then after a time you will know what the answer is.
enum 17y ago
grad school is a 5+ year commitment. Launching a startup probably takes less time. Also, grad. school is not about entrepreneurship. Perhaps there are transferable skills, but research has different goals.
- nostrademons 17y ago
  Finishing a startup is probably also a 5+ year commitment. And going to grad school itself takes less time than finishing grad school.
suzyperplexus 17y ago
In reality you can do both. But perhaps a better question is, is the networking pool at a good B-school really worth the cost?
dpatru 17y ago
If you successfully exit a startup, you will likely be wealthy: i.e., you will never be forced to take a job in order to eat. If you successfully finish grad school, you will probably be no closer to becoming wealthy than you are now. So if you're ultimate goal is to become wealthy, start now. What keeps most people from becoming wealthy is not a lack of grad-school-type knowledge.
abalashov 17y ago
I object to the formulation of the question.

10 points by suzyperplexus 17y ago

As with the previous post, this seems to be missing the point that grad school isn't really about the same thing as YCombinator. Grad school is about advancing the state of scientific knowledge, which might result in useful products or services, but not necessarily, and often not in the short-term. Startups are about producing useful products or services, getting them to market, and monetizing them, which might result in scientific advances, but not necessarily, and often you actually hope not to need any (needing to solve an open scientific question in the critical path to getting a product out the door is a huge risk).

scs237 17y ago

I think about this questions sometimes for my future. Can anyone who has experienced both offer their thoughts?

thumper 17y ago
I jumped over this fence a few times, having done a startup after college, then did consulting for years, then dove into grad school to find out what "research" was really all about. I'm still in grad school, but just really took a job working at an industry research lab. There isn't a clear cut answer because so much depends on your personality and what you want to get out of life. What I can definitively say: if you've been out of school for a few years, getting an MS in CS is totally worth it. I learned so much about the "new stuff" that I never got around to when I was working, and the bigger toolbox has already paid off for me. Beyond that, I sort of agree with other posters, but I'm a little more cynical about the long-term vs short-term aims of academia. I'm finding that my startup sensibilities work well for guiding my efforts in a PhD, but this is because I've come believe that grad school is essentially a machine for conferring reputation from professors to students. Keep in mind that even when your advisor gives you a lot of latitude (and that'll take years), you're still not your own boss... and that can suck if you're older than the average student. Of course, working in a research lab has similar issues. You don't completely get to set your direction, there's a big bureaucracy, and you have to work hard to get people to understand your work. Out of everything I've done, being in a startup where we all shared The Dream was the best.

dasil003 17y ago

You'll probably get a biased view on a Ycombinator forum, but I think in essence the decision is pretty easy: If you like to go deep into problems, conducting basic science, and attempting to solve fundamentally difficult problems that may ultimately be intractable, and if deadlines stress you out and you feel like you don't get a chance to do anything "right" and if you have the ability to focus on the same thing for months or years at time, then grad school will probably suit you well. On the other hand, if you more interested in getting tangible results fast, and getting other people interested in what your doing, and providing a product that regular people find valuable, and you're willing to change direction a lot and throw out good work for no other reason than that market isn't biting, then doing a startup will probably suit you well.

milod 17y ago

I think if you are asking yourself and others this question then you aren't ready for either. My advice for anyone who is confused about this is to get a job in your field of study first, then after a time you will know what the answer is.

enum 17y ago

grad school is a 5+ year commitment. Launching a startup probably takes less time. Also, grad. school is not about entrepreneurship. Perhaps there are transferable skills, but research has different goals.

nostrademons 17y ago
Finishing a startup is probably also a 5+ year commitment. And going to grad school itself takes less time than finishing grad school.

suzyperplexus 17y ago

In reality you can do both. But perhaps a better question is, is the networking pool at a good B-school really worth the cost?

dpatru 17y ago

If you successfully exit a startup, you will likely be wealthy: i.e., you will never be forced to take a job in order to eat. If you successfully finish grad school, you will probably be no closer to becoming wealthy than you are now. So if you're ultimate goal is to become wealthy, start now. What keeps most people from becoming wealthy is not a lack of grad-school-type knowledge.

abalashov 17y ago

I object to the formulation of the question.