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Not a four star though: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/petraeus-set-to-plead-guilty-to-mishandling-classified-materials/2015/04/22/3e6db

Not a four star though: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/petraeus-set-to-plead-guilty-to-mishandling-classified-materials/2015/04/22/3e6dbf20-e8f5-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/petra...

leroy_masochist 11y ago
I think it's safe to say that if Petraeus had done what Hillary apparently did, he would be incarcerated. If conversations in social settings with former colleagues in the IC / DoD are indicative of sentiment throughout these communities, there will be a tremendous amount of discontent if she is not prosecuted for her decision to conduct official communications as one of the most senior members of the USG over an unsecured personal email server starting in 2009.
- eli 11y ago
  Strongly disagree. Petraeus was far worse; he intentionally and knowingly gave classified information to someone not authorized to see it. He pled guilty. It's unclear (IMHO unlikely) that Hillary did anything illegal. She has not been charged with a crime. She has not, so far as we know, been investigated for any crime. And there's no evidence any classified information was leaked, intentionally or not.
  - leroy_masochist 11y ago
    Broadwell had a TS clearance and was a reserve military intelligence officer, so....no.
    - eli 11y ago
      > "court papers filed with the plea deal stated Petraeus in 2011 unlawfully gave Broadwell the black books of classified information including identities of covert officers, code word information, war strategy, intelligence capabilities, diplomatic talks and information from high-level White House National Security Council meetings." > "Petraeus then lied to the FBI about it, the court papers said." source: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-cia-director-petraeus-pleads-guilty-to-federal-charge-doj/ar-BBibqYX http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-cia-director-petr... Clinton choosing to use a private email server was a big mistake, but Petraeus' actions are MUCH worse. Not even in the same category. He's lucky he did not end up in jail.
      - leroy_masochist 11y ago
        > Clinton choosing to use a private email server was a big mistake, but Petraeus' actions are MUCH worse. Not even in the same category. Always great to hear from people who know how open investigations will be resolved. To be clear: HRC is accused not only of conducting official business in a manner that was completely unauthorized from an infosec perspective and in direct violation of both IC standards and a Presidential Executive Order; she also apparently ordered a subordinate who needed to send her classified materials to "turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure" [0]. To me this sounds like her giving a direct order to mishandle classified information. It sounds like you're on Team Hillary and that's fine, we all have our political opinions. I do not think that your characterization of Petraeus' actions as "MUCH worse" than HRC's is accurate, either in terms of a reasonable-person evaluation of the severity of each respective (alleged in HRC's case) infraction or in terms of how the IC punishes these kinds of transgressions. They are normally merciless when it comes to people intentionally violating the integrity of classified information systems. Merciless. [0]: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-releases-more-clinton-emails-several-marked-classified/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-releases-more-c...
        res0nat0r 11y ago
        Her server setup at the time was legal and authorized. Most of your info above is incorrect.
        snowwrestler 11y ago
        > HRC is accused not only of.... No accusations have been leveled at Clinton, except in the press. That is, she has not been indicted, arrested, or charged. That's not a "Team Hillary" thing, that is the literal truth of the legal situation. Petraeus was charged and convicted.
        DrScump 11y ago
        <That is, she has not been indicted, arrested, or charged.> That's your definition of "accusation"? By that standard, O.J. Simpson has no remaining accusations of homicide.

leroy_masochist 11y ago

I think it's safe to say that if Petraeus had done what Hillary apparently did, he would be incarcerated. If conversations in social settings with former colleagues in the IC / DoD are indicative of sentiment throughout these communities, there will be a tremendous amount of discontent if she is not prosecuted for her decision to conduct official communications as one of the most senior members of the USG over an unsecured personal email server starting in 2009.

eli 11y ago
Strongly disagree. Petraeus was far worse; he intentionally and knowingly gave classified information to someone not authorized to see it. He pled guilty. It's unclear (IMHO unlikely) that Hillary did anything illegal. She has not been charged with a crime. She has not, so far as we know, been investigated for any crime. And there's no evidence any classified information was leaked, intentionally or not.
- leroy_masochist 11y ago
  Broadwell had a TS clearance and was a reserve military intelligence officer, so....no.
  - eli 11y ago
    > "court papers filed with the plea deal stated Petraeus in 2011 unlawfully gave Broadwell the black books of classified information including identities of covert officers, code word information, war strategy, intelligence capabilities, diplomatic talks and information from high-level White House National Security Council meetings." > "Petraeus then lied to the FBI about it, the court papers said." source: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-cia-director-petraeus-pleads-guilty-to-federal-charge-doj/ar-BBibqYX http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-cia-director-petr... Clinton choosing to use a private email server was a big mistake, but Petraeus' actions are MUCH worse. Not even in the same category. He's lucky he did not end up in jail.
    - leroy_masochist 11y ago
      > Clinton choosing to use a private email server was a big mistake, but Petraeus' actions are MUCH worse. Not even in the same category. Always great to hear from people who know how open investigations will be resolved. To be clear: HRC is accused not only of conducting official business in a manner that was completely unauthorized from an infosec perspective and in direct violation of both IC standards and a Presidential Executive Order; she also apparently ordered a subordinate who needed to send her classified materials to "turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure" [0]. To me this sounds like her giving a direct order to mishandle classified information. It sounds like you're on Team Hillary and that's fine, we all have our political opinions. I do not think that your characterization of Petraeus' actions as "MUCH worse" than HRC's is accurate, either in terms of a reasonable-person evaluation of the severity of each respective (alleged in HRC's case) infraction or in terms of how the IC punishes these kinds of transgressions. They are normally merciless when it comes to people intentionally violating the integrity of classified information systems. Merciless. [0]: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-releases-more-clinton-emails-several-marked-classified/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-releases-more-c...
      - res0nat0r 11y ago
        Her server setup at the time was legal and authorized. Most of your info above is incorrect.
      - snowwrestler 11y ago
        > HRC is accused not only of.... No accusations have been leveled at Clinton, except in the press. That is, she has not been indicted, arrested, or charged. That's not a "Team Hillary" thing, that is the literal truth of the legal situation. Petraeus was charged and convicted.
        DrScump 11y ago
        <That is, she has not been indicted, arrested, or charged.> That's your definition of "accusation"? By that standard, O.J. Simpson has no remaining accusations of homicide.