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Hey Leo, I must say, I've also become disillusioned with MVC for front-end frameworks, actually after using Mithril [1]. I'm sure you've seen me lurking and as

Hey Leo, I must say, I've also become disillusioned with MVC for front-end frameworks, actually after using Mithril [1]. I'm sure you've seen me lurking and asking questions in the repo since before Mithril got big. I used it on a few projects and decided the controller was not an abstraction that made much sense. I looked elsewhere and stumbled upon domchanger [2] but after trying to use it seriously and forking some changes also ran into many impasses. This is what inspired me to develop domvm [3], a simple, pure-js composable vdom view layer for plain models. I took a few of Mithril's good ideas, removed globals, made the magic as opt-in modules (so a bit more wiring is needed) and ended up with something extremely fast (at least 2.5x Mithril), composable and mixed imperative/declarative. It's been a good journey and I'm very happy where everything ended up. Thanks for some inspiration :) [1] http://mithril.js.org/ http://mithril.js.org/ [2] https://github.com/creationix/domchanger https://github.com/creationix/domchanger [3] https://github.com/leeoniya/domvm https://github.com/leeoniya/domvm

lhorie 11y ago
Hi leeoniya. domvm is a an interesting project that I've been keeping my eyes on. I'm thinking of adapting some of your ideas for the rewrite of Mithril that I'm working on, particularly APIs related to re-rendering control. Stay tuned :)
- rattray 11y ago
  Wow, what a gracious reply. Best of luck to you both!
  - leeoniya 11y ago
    Indeed, i have no intention of marginalizing the excellent engineering that Leo has put into Mithril, it is a solid lib and if it "clicks" for you then by all means use it. I would be delighted if my projects had a positive effect on a Mithril rewrite. I originally wanted to improve Mithril but alas it was not architecturally possible without large BC breakage and alienating the existing userbase. Actually, as a proof of concept I wrote an adapter for domvm that allows Mithril's link rotator demo to work unmodified: https://github.com/leeoniya/domvm/tree/master/demos/mithril-adapter https://github.com/leeoniya/domvm/tree/master/demos/mithril-... In the end everything in software is an iteration of something else.
    - lhorie 11y ago
      It goes both ways. I never expected that Mithril would inspire new projects, and I've come to really appreciate the great insights that come from these projects. At the end of day, we all want better software, and having more hands on deck (even if each person is doing their own thing) is a net positive in my opinion. JS fatigue critics can say all they want, but this is how innovation happens :)
      - akamaozu 11y ago
        You're a classy guy, Leo. You're the kind of programmer I aspire to be like and be surrounded with.

lhorie 11y ago

Hi leeoniya. domvm is a an interesting project that I've been keeping my eyes on. I'm thinking of adapting some of your ideas for the rewrite of Mithril that I'm working on, particularly APIs related to re-rendering control. Stay tuned :)

rattray 11y ago
Wow, what a gracious reply. Best of luck to you both!
- leeoniya 11y ago
  Indeed, i have no intention of marginalizing the excellent engineering that Leo has put into Mithril, it is a solid lib and if it "clicks" for you then by all means use it. I would be delighted if my projects had a positive effect on a Mithril rewrite. I originally wanted to improve Mithril but alas it was not architecturally possible without large BC breakage and alienating the existing userbase. Actually, as a proof of concept I wrote an adapter for domvm that allows Mithril's link rotator demo to work unmodified: https://github.com/leeoniya/domvm/tree/master/demos/mithril-adapter https://github.com/leeoniya/domvm/tree/master/demos/mithril-... In the end everything in software is an iteration of something else.
  - lhorie 11y ago
    It goes both ways. I never expected that Mithril would inspire new projects, and I've come to really appreciate the great insights that come from these projects. At the end of day, we all want better software, and having more hands on deck (even if each person is doing their own thing) is a net positive in my opinion. JS fatigue critics can say all they want, but this is how innovation happens :)
    - akamaozu 11y ago
      You're a classy guy, Leo. You're the kind of programmer I aspire to be like and be surrounded with.