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> every H1-B is taking a job from a US citizen Do US Citizens deserve a job more than a non-citizen? Get off your high horse and see you are no more different

by welder 11y ago

> every H1-B is taking a job from a US citizen Do US Citizens deserve a job more than a non-citizen? Get off your high horse and see you are no more different than other people around the world!

levelist_com 11y ago
In America? Yes. Globally, absolutely not.
skylan_q 11y ago
Do US Citizens deserve a job more than a non-citizen? The original article stated that the prof. didn't understand why american politicians were trying to get more STEM-educated/skilled people into the US. 1) Rubio is bought by Microsoft. They're his biggest donor. (or 2nd biggest depending on how you dice the numbers) MS' profit margins would benefit from driving wages down. 2) The job of the politicians of the United States is to make life better for American citizens, not people abroad.
- davidw 11y ago
  Importing highly skilled, hard working people most certainly does make our lives better.
  - SudoNhim 11y ago
    It goes both ways though. I feel pretty terrible about finishing my government sponsored education in New Zealand then ditching for better prospects here in the US. Where the size of the tech sector is limited by the number of engineers, every engineer lost to an H1B is lost exports, lost jobs, lost taxes....
    - davidw 11y ago
      Plenty of people go off to work somewhere else and then return home with a pile of money and skills. So it's not like you get on a boat, never to see home again. The economies of some countries (poorer ones) benefit greatly from remittances.
throwaway_exer 11y ago
Yes, US citizens deserve first crack at US jobs. No other country allows mass immigration of professional jobs - because their citizens wouldn't tolerate it.
mrrrgn 11y ago
Globalism is a political philosophy, not a moral imperative. Here in our country we [citizens] get first dibs on jobs. Our land, our laws. We have every right to enforce that. If the market punishes us for it perhaps we'll change.
CoryAmber 11y ago
You have changed the topic of discussion. I have not claimed some difference from other people or offered an opinion on deservedness, entitlement or anything. I just stated that (modulo special cases, point exceptions) that the bulk of H1-Bs occupy a position that could and would be filled by a US citizen.
pound 11y ago
in US? yes. when we will get to the "citizen of the world" equality it would be another issue. Right now we have distinct countries with their own citizens and their own support/taxes/infrastructure serving them and that's their own issues to work on.
- troebr 11y ago
  At the same time, the US getting educated and skilled workers that it never had to pay a dime for to educate. If you look at European countries, a lot of them are trying hard to prevent their skilled workers from leaving for the US. If anything, these people are coming, paying high taxes whilst receiving only a tiny fraction of the benefits (no medicare, no unemployment, no education cost) etc. They may or may not be driving salaries down (pretty sure if the law was enforced it wouldn't be the case), but you can't ignore the rest. There's also a lot of statistics on immigrants and children of immigrants founding a disproportionate amount of companies compared to US natives.
  - ap3 11y ago
    There will still be immigrants without H1b - but H1b specifically targets tech employees with the fallacy that there are not enough tech workers
  - pound 11y ago
    saving money on their education cost and getting taxes paid is fine, sure. in the same time you have a local citizen who is out of job. how much money will be spent on him/her (in)directly? from unemployment benefits at first to potential disability eventually, to cover expenses with healthcare or any other payments that would be defaulted.
CoryAmber 11y ago
What citizenry anywhere would say, "You, you over there. Disney programmer. Sorry, gotta put you, the wife and the kids on food stamps. Mortgage? Yea, well just leave keys on the kitchen table. Bank will take care of it. Oh, that goes for the rest of you as well. Yea, the whole department." What citizenry anywhere would not prioritize their fellow citizens to a decent job, wage and life? To answer your question, yea, yea they do.

by welder 11y ago

> every H1-B is taking a job from a US citizen Do US Citizens deserve a job more than a non-citizen? Get off your high horse and see you are no more different than other people around the world!

levelist_com 11y ago

In America? Yes. Globally, absolutely not.

skylan_q 11y ago

Do US Citizens deserve a job more than a non-citizen? The original article stated that the prof. didn't understand why american politicians were trying to get more STEM-educated/skilled people into the US. 1) Rubio is bought by Microsoft. They're his biggest donor. (or 2nd biggest depending on how you dice the numbers) MS' profit margins would benefit from driving wages down. 2) The job of the politicians of the United States is to make life better for American citizens, not people abroad.

davidw 11y ago
Importing highly skilled, hard working people most certainly does make our lives better.
- SudoNhim 11y ago
  It goes both ways though. I feel pretty terrible about finishing my government sponsored education in New Zealand then ditching for better prospects here in the US. Where the size of the tech sector is limited by the number of engineers, every engineer lost to an H1B is lost exports, lost jobs, lost taxes....
  - davidw 11y ago
    Plenty of people go off to work somewhere else and then return home with a pile of money and skills. So it's not like you get on a boat, never to see home again. The economies of some countries (poorer ones) benefit greatly from remittances.

throwaway_exer 11y ago

Yes, US citizens deserve first crack at US jobs. No other country allows mass immigration of professional jobs - because their citizens wouldn't tolerate it.

mrrrgn 11y ago

Globalism is a political philosophy, not a moral imperative. Here in our country we [citizens] get first dibs on jobs. Our land, our laws. We have every right to enforce that. If the market punishes us for it perhaps we'll change.

CoryAmber 11y ago

You have changed the topic of discussion. I have not claimed some difference from other people or offered an opinion on deservedness, entitlement or anything. I just stated that (modulo special cases, point exceptions) that the bulk of H1-Bs occupy a position that could and would be filled by a US citizen.

pound 11y ago

in US? yes. when we will get to the "citizen of the world" equality it would be another issue. Right now we have distinct countries with their own citizens and their own support/taxes/infrastructure serving them and that's their own issues to work on.

troebr 11y ago
At the same time, the US getting educated and skilled workers that it never had to pay a dime for to educate. If you look at European countries, a lot of them are trying hard to prevent their skilled workers from leaving for the US. If anything, these people are coming, paying high taxes whilst receiving only a tiny fraction of the benefits (no medicare, no unemployment, no education cost) etc. They may or may not be driving salaries down (pretty sure if the law was enforced it wouldn't be the case), but you can't ignore the rest. There's also a lot of statistics on immigrants and children of immigrants founding a disproportionate amount of companies compared to US natives.
- ap3 11y ago
  There will still be immigrants without H1b - but H1b specifically targets tech employees with the fallacy that there are not enough tech workers
- pound 11y ago
  saving money on their education cost and getting taxes paid is fine, sure. in the same time you have a local citizen who is out of job. how much money will be spent on him/her (in)directly? from unemployment benefits at first to potential disability eventually, to cover expenses with healthcare or any other payments that would be defaulted.

CoryAmber 11y ago

What citizenry anywhere would say, "You, you over there. Disney programmer. Sorry, gotta put you, the wife and the kids on food stamps. Mortgage? Yea, well just leave keys on the kitchen table. Bank will take care of it. Oh, that goes for the rest of you as well. Yea, the whole department." What citizenry anywhere would not prioritize their fellow citizens to a decent job, wage and life? To answer your question, yea, yea they do.