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I've been really liking PHP lately. PHP 7 has awesome new features and performance improvements. Of course, PHP isn't right for every application, but I feel li

I've been really liking PHP lately. PHP 7 has awesome new features and performance improvements. Of course, PHP isn't right for every application, but I feel like PHP needs to be taken more seriously, compared to Ruby and Python, for large-scale applications, and fast-response web services. It's hard to break an old stigma.. but.. PHP7 is NOTHING like PHP4, and a LOT better than PHP5.x.

karnajani 11y ago
Totally agree. PHP7's speed is awesome. And the service that the author points out (Laravel Forge) provisions VPSes with PHP7. The author is totally right about Forge, I have never EVER had a better provisioning experience.
meddlepal 11y ago
This may very well be true (I haven't written PHP since the era of 4/5-beta), but it's probably going to be a lot like Java in the sense that the older devs scarred from Java 1.0 - 1.5 basically want nothing to do with it anymore and rant and rave about the language despite the language and ecosystem evolving considerably.
andreygrehov 11y ago
Agree. PHP 7 is indeed a pretty decent language. At the same time, it's worth checking out the Hacklang[1], which looks even more interesting than PHP 7. I wonder how many people tried Hack on production. [1] http://hacklang.org/ http://hacklang.org/
thrownear 11y ago
>PHP 7 has awesome new features and performance improvements "Awesome new features" does not make up for the rotten core that remains. It never will. So please, don't be fooled by the additions to the language (Which by the way has a history of being poorly built and does not fit well with the rest of the language). So Php 7 is still Php and all it implies. A language that no one should be unfortunate enough to use in 2016. Case in point [1]. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/41fqib/it_is_so_simple_in_php_let_me_show_you_mm_no_it/ https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/41fqib/it_is_so_sim...
Shorel 11y ago
Not only the language itself, but the frameworks have evolved and nowadays stuff like Laravel is miles ahead of ZF. We have DB migrations, model/controller/views scaffolding, simple and powerful routing, etc.
maxxxxx 11y ago
We have some scripts in PHP and yes, PHP 7 is a big step forward. In some ways it's more advanced than C# in terms of language features. It's still ugly but you can do very interesting things with it.
- thrownear 11y ago
  >In some ways it's more advanced than C# in terms of language features. Like..?
  - maxxxxx 11y ago
    Traits, closures don't capture everything by reference
    - andreygrehov 11y ago
      Traits are available since PHP 5.4.
TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
There's still so much nonsense that you don't have to worry about in other languages. PHP still has, for example, php.ini, errors (not to be confused with exceptions), a messy standard library with no coherent naming system or organisation, obvious feature gaps, inconsistent and unintuitive behaviour in many places, outright bugs that have been documented but never fixed, etc. Nonetheless, things are improving bit by bit. PHP has come a long way.

karnajani 11y ago

Totally agree. PHP7's speed is awesome. And the service that the author points out (Laravel Forge) provisions VPSes with PHP7. The author is totally right about Forge, I have never EVER had a better provisioning experience.

meddlepal 11y ago

This may very well be true (I haven't written PHP since the era of 4/5-beta), but it's probably going to be a lot like Java in the sense that the older devs scarred from Java 1.0 - 1.5 basically want nothing to do with it anymore and rant and rave about the language despite the language and ecosystem evolving considerably.

andreygrehov 11y ago

Agree. PHP 7 is indeed a pretty decent language. At the same time, it's worth checking out the Hacklang[1], which looks even more interesting than PHP 7. I wonder how many people tried Hack on production. [1] http://hacklang.org/ http://hacklang.org/

thrownear 11y ago

>PHP 7 has awesome new features and performance improvements "Awesome new features" does not make up for the rotten core that remains. It never will. So please, don't be fooled by the additions to the language (Which by the way has a history of being poorly built and does not fit well with the rest of the language). So Php 7 is still Php and all it implies. A language that no one should be unfortunate enough to use in 2016. Case in point [1]. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/41fqib/it_is_so_simple_in_php_let_me_show_you_mm_no_it/ https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/41fqib/it_is_so_sim...

Shorel 11y ago

Not only the language itself, but the frameworks have evolved and nowadays stuff like Laravel is miles ahead of ZF. We have DB migrations, model/controller/views scaffolding, simple and powerful routing, etc.

maxxxxx 11y ago

We have some scripts in PHP and yes, PHP 7 is a big step forward. In some ways it's more advanced than C# in terms of language features. It's still ugly but you can do very interesting things with it.

thrownear 11y ago
>In some ways it's more advanced than C# in terms of language features. Like..?
- maxxxxx 11y ago
  Traits, closures don't capture everything by reference
  - andreygrehov 11y ago
    Traits are available since PHP 5.4.

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago

There's still so much nonsense that you don't have to worry about in other languages. PHP still has, for example, php.ini, errors (not to be confused with exceptions), a messy standard library with no coherent naming system or organisation, obvious feature gaps, inconsistent and unintuitive behaviour in many places, outright bugs that have been documented but never fixed, etc. Nonetheless, things are improving bit by bit. PHP has come a long way.