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Yeah, you know why? Because developer is the new cool, and you can't be cool enough without an Apple logo. People that really don't care about cool don't use Ap

by m0skit0 11y ago

Yeah, you know why? Because developer is the new cool, and you can't be cool enough without an Apple logo. People that really don't care about cool don't use Apple, e.g. Stallman, Linus. One really good dev I knew for a couple of days (he was a customer of ours) had to use a Mac because of company policy, he just put installed a Linux on it and put a sticker over the Apple logo. And I did spend 10 hours to set up a Linux distro because I cared actually learn something about how an OS worked. Then I made my own just for the fun. Now most Linux distros install and work flawlessly in 10 minutes. I use Ubuntu at work and I don't have any major complaint in over 3 years: it has all UNIX tools a REAL developer needs (no need to install Macports or whatever for really basic tools) and even if you need anything is as simple as apt-get install (and this since I started using Linux back in 2002). When online stores first appeared (e.g. Apple Store) all people were amazed, and we Linux users were "meh". And developers can be technically inept. I know a lot of those that don't even know how a network or an OS works, because they don't care. From my experience, and generally speaking, those are the kind of unhackish devs that use Mac.

diezge 11y ago
> Yeah, you know why? Because developer is the new cool, and you can't be cool enough without an Apple logo. No, it's because those machines are reliable, tend to last for many years without any problems, devtools are optimised for OS X, OS X is Unix-based etc etc. > People that really don't care about cool don't use Apple, e.g. Stallman, Linus. Who cares about bigots like Linus? People who follow others without questioning them are surely just as much of a sheep as Apple users? > he just put installed a Linux on it and put a sticker over the Apple logo. Edgy. > those are the kind of unhackish devs that use Mac. Your comment is a caricature of everything I was talking about. Hope you didn't waste too much of your time talking to peasants like us...
- m0skit0 11y ago
  > No, it's because those machines are reliable, tend to last for many years without any problems, devtools are optimised for OS X, OS X is Unix-based etc etc. I don't get how is this exclusive to Macs. I haven't had any problems with my PCs for many many years. You just have to buy quality hardware, and even then, it's half the price of a Mac with twice the performance. In fact before OS X, you could argue that Mac OS was pretty crappy. Now it is OK, but seems like a wonderful evolution coming from Mac OS 9. > Who cares about bigots like Linus? Don't deviate the conversation when you have no arguments. I don't care if they're bigots or their sexual preferences or if they like cats better than dogs. I care about what they built, and those are two of the greatest developers alive, period. Now give me an example of one guy as good as those two who uses Mac for developing. > People who follow others without questioning them are surely just as much of a sheep as Apple users? You're making up stuff nobody said because you lack arguments. Nice try. > Edgy You're focusing on anecdotes because you lack arguments. Nice try. > Hope you didn't waste too much of your time talking to peasants like us... Ad hominem because you lack arguments. Nice try.
  - diezge 11y ago
    > I don't get how is this exclusive to Macs. Macs are pretty different to Macbook Pros - the portable devices I was talking about that are certainly more flexible than some huge desktop. > I don't care if they're bigots Then I don't care about anything else you have to say on the matter as it comes from a position of privilege/arrogance. > You're making up stuff nobody said because you lack arguments No, you mentioned people getting things purely because of a logo - it's no different to following something purely because of some programmer you like advising it. Congratulations to you for being smarter than the rest of us but I don't care; software isn't about individuals and your comments are exactly what is wrong with the tech industry. You need to understand why this kind of attitude is dying out, and consider why.

by m0skit0 11y ago

diezge 11y ago

> Yeah, you know why? Because developer is the new cool, and you can't be cool enough without an Apple logo. No, it's because those machines are reliable, tend to last for many years without any problems, devtools are optimised for OS X, OS X is Unix-based etc etc. > People that really don't care about cool don't use Apple, e.g. Stallman, Linus. Who cares about bigots like Linus? People who follow others without questioning them are surely just as much of a sheep as Apple users? > he just put installed a Linux on it and put a sticker over the Apple logo. Edgy. > those are the kind of unhackish devs that use Mac. Your comment is a caricature of everything I was talking about. Hope you didn't waste too much of your time talking to peasants like us...

m0skit0 11y ago
> No, it's because those machines are reliable, tend to last for many years without any problems, devtools are optimised for OS X, OS X is Unix-based etc etc. I don't get how is this exclusive to Macs. I haven't had any problems with my PCs for many many years. You just have to buy quality hardware, and even then, it's half the price of a Mac with twice the performance. In fact before OS X, you could argue that Mac OS was pretty crappy. Now it is OK, but seems like a wonderful evolution coming from Mac OS 9. > Who cares about bigots like Linus? Don't deviate the conversation when you have no arguments. I don't care if they're bigots or their sexual preferences or if they like cats better than dogs. I care about what they built, and those are two of the greatest developers alive, period. Now give me an example of one guy as good as those two who uses Mac for developing. > People who follow others without questioning them are surely just as much of a sheep as Apple users? You're making up stuff nobody said because you lack arguments. Nice try. > Edgy You're focusing on anecdotes because you lack arguments. Nice try. > Hope you didn't waste too much of your time talking to peasants like us... Ad hominem because you lack arguments. Nice try.
- diezge 11y ago
  > I don't get how is this exclusive to Macs. Macs are pretty different to Macbook Pros - the portable devices I was talking about that are certainly more flexible than some huge desktop. > I don't care if they're bigots Then I don't care about anything else you have to say on the matter as it comes from a position of privilege/arrogance. > You're making up stuff nobody said because you lack arguments No, you mentioned people getting things purely because of a logo - it's no different to following something purely because of some programmer you like advising it. Congratulations to you for being smarter than the rest of us but I don't care; software isn't about individuals and your comments are exactly what is wrong with the tech industry. You need to understand why this kind of attitude is dying out, and consider why.