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Can you say more/explain? What about the application is so upsetting? What is shameful about this? The Knight Foundation is about as upstanding as you can get,

Can you say more/explain? What about the application is so upsetting? What is shameful about this? The Knight Foundation is about as upstanding as you can get, so it can't be that (full disclosure, I've received funding from them, so I'm definitely not unbiased on that point). So, what exactly is it that's so shameful here?

chris_wot 11y ago
To be clear: my issue (and in fact, most peoples' issues) are not with the Knight Foundation. In fact, they appear to have been above board in every way in this whole debacle. It is the WMF board who are the problem here. See my comment here for just a few comments on this issue: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11101262 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11101262 Frankly, there's a lot more - to understand the issue better you might want to read Liam Wyatt's blog posts: http://wittylama.com/2016/01/08/strategy-and-controversy/ http://wittylama.com/2016/01/08/strategy-and-controversy/ and here: http://wittylama.com/2016/01/30/strategy-controversy-part-2/ http://wittylama.com/2016/01/30/strategy-controversy-part-2/
- incongruity 11y ago
  Thanks – I appreciate the references
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    That's OK, ironically it was Wikipedia that taught me to always back up my statements with references :-)
    - incongruity 11y ago
      As an aside, I think the internet is simultaneously great at spreading absolute bs and disinformation and pushing people to have citations handy... paradoxically, both seem to be getting more frequent. (It all depends on where you browse, clearly).
      - chris_wot 11y ago
        Yeah, nobody knows this more than myself. I created [citation needed] and I've watched it be misused for years. I am glad I came up with the idea, but I'm resigned to the fact that it's human nature to misuse a valuable idea.

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Can you say more/explain? What about the application is so upsetting? What is shameful about this? The Knight Foundation is about as upstanding as you can get,

by incongruity 11y ago

chris_wot 11y ago
To be clear: my issue (and in fact, most peoples' issues) are not with the Knight Foundation. In fact, they appear to have been above board in every way in this whole debacle. It is the WMF board who are the problem here. See my comment here for just a few comments on this issue: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11101262 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11101262 Frankly, there's a lot more - to understand the issue better you might want to read Liam Wyatt's blog posts: http://wittylama.com/2016/01/08/strategy-and-controversy/ http://wittylama.com/2016/01/08/strategy-and-controversy/ and here: http://wittylama.com/2016/01/30/strategy-controversy-part-2/ http://wittylama.com/2016/01/30/strategy-controversy-part-2/
- incongruity 11y ago
  Thanks – I appreciate the references
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    That's OK, ironically it was Wikipedia that taught me to always back up my statements with references :-)
    - incongruity 11y ago
      As an aside, I think the internet is simultaneously great at spreading absolute bs and disinformation and pushing people to have citations handy... paradoxically, both seem to be getting more frequent. (It all depends on where you browse, clearly).
      - chris_wot 11y ago
        Yeah, nobody knows this more than myself. I created [citation needed] and I've watched it be misused for years. I am glad I came up with the idea, but I'm resigned to the fact that it's human nature to misuse a valuable idea.