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...it is neither random nor representative of python 3 usage, failing the premise you yourself mentioned. I'm not arguing the py2 vs py3 band wagon; all I'm sa

...it is neither random nor representative of python 3 usage, failing the premise you yourself mentioned. I'm not arguing the py2 vs py3 band wagon; all I'm saying is that if you choose to dispute the validity of statistics you need to do it properly, not just with 'those stats aren't any good because [arbitrary speculative reason 1] [arbitrary speculative reason 2]'. Can you actually justify these assertions? Or are you just speculating because you don't like the results? Your best bet is to go around polling companies of all sizes as well as indie devs. What you will find is that: Oh what? Come on. Now I can't take you seriously at all. You know what they're going to say already, without even asking? You're just speculating. Stats > guesses. Even if the pypi stats aren't completely reflective of the entire ecosystem, I'm going to argue that they give a pretty decent impression of it, regardless of the mild bias that you've listed above but can't quantify.

scrollaway 11y ago
> You know what they're going to say already, without even asking? Yes: - It has been done before - I've been around the Python ecosystem a long time and I know a lot of its users (a random sample, if you will) - I spent several years freelancing as a Python dev which gave me the occasion to do exactly that. While that is not a representative sample on its own, my data matches up with the rest. But all things aside, you really need to check your damn attitude at the door. I neither like nor dislike the results. The facts that matter are that Python 3 has a great ecosystem today and that is what matters to me; not whether my neighbour uses Python 1, 2, 3 or PHP.
- shadowmint 11y ago
  I'm not interested in the health of the python3 ecosystem at all. My only point is, was and remains, that statistics are more complicated than simply 'those statistics do not match my personal perception of things'; justify your argument with actual data. I'd would be interested to see any alternative stats on the subject you care to link to.
  - scrollaway 11y ago
    In my original reply, I explained why the PyPI statistics are misleading. I then explained to you that there is no easy alternative. The Python interpreter doesn't embed Google Analytics. What you're left with is polling, and I gave you insight (backed with my own experience which, yes, is actual data) into what you might find if you went that route. I have no actual numbers on such polling because my samples are too small to be useful. All samples are too small to be useful at this point. The reason I brought up the health of the ecosystem is because you seem to think I'm biased, or lying, or maybe I'm just a bad person and like one version more than the other. I was just trying to remind you that it's a language version, not a presidential candidate.

scrollaway 11y ago

> You know what they're going to say already, without even asking? Yes: - It has been done before - I've been around the Python ecosystem a long time and I know a lot of its users (a random sample, if you will) - I spent several years freelancing as a Python dev which gave me the occasion to do exactly that. While that is not a representative sample on its own, my data matches up with the rest. But all things aside, you really need to check your damn attitude at the door. I neither like nor dislike the results. The facts that matter are that Python 3 has a great ecosystem today and that is what matters to me; not whether my neighbour uses Python 1, 2, 3 or PHP.

shadowmint 11y ago
I'm not interested in the health of the python3 ecosystem at all. My only point is, was and remains, that statistics are more complicated than simply 'those statistics do not match my personal perception of things'; justify your argument with actual data. I'd would be interested to see any alternative stats on the subject you care to link to.
- scrollaway 11y ago
  In my original reply, I explained why the PyPI statistics are misleading. I then explained to you that there is no easy alternative. The Python interpreter doesn't embed Google Analytics. What you're left with is polling, and I gave you insight (backed with my own experience which, yes, is actual data) into what you might find if you went that route. I have no actual numbers on such polling because my samples are too small to be useful. All samples are too small to be useful at this point. The reason I brought up the health of the ecosystem is because you seem to think I'm biased, or lying, or maybe I'm just a bad person and like one version more than the other. I was just trying to remind you that it's a language version, not a presidential candidate.