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You may be interested in checking out Ivy; it has a similar workflow to Helm but is much more lightweight. As a fan of Ido, Ivy has replaced Ido everywhere for

You may be interested in checking out Ivy; it has a similar workflow to Helm but is much more lightweight. As a fan of Ido, Ivy has replaced Ido everywhere for me except for opening files.

benaiah 11y ago
I've heard good things about ivy, but haven't got around to revamping my config in some time. I'll check it out next time I do.
gkya 11y ago
I'm on 24.5, and I don't know how it was in the past, but Emacs' default minibuffer reading functionality is good enough that Ido, Ivy, Helm or whatnot seem superfluous to me. I can type C-x C-f ~/Git/projectx/src/ding/~/.xombrero/runtime//etc/fstab RET it will do the correct thing, and it will give visual feedback. Also I can type M-x rev-bu RET and it will run revert-buffer, and if I type TAB instead of RET, it will complete to actual command name. It will ignore case in completions if these variables are set: ;; Ignore case when completing file names in minibuffer. read-file-name-completion-ignore-case t read-buffer-completion-ignore-case t completion-ignore-case t Also an indispensable config: enable-recursive-minibuffers t What does them tools provide that can't be easily done by these? And ido fails when entering a TRAMP file name, so one has to hit C-f in minibuf to drop to the original prompt.
- benaiah 11y ago
  This works great if you have all the commands memorized. If you don't, fuzzy matching in ido is a fantastic way to find commands and variables that do what you want (Emacs has a great tendency to name user-facing commands very sensibly a lot of the time). Most of the time I can use C-h f and C-h v to figure out how to configure something without having to read the documentation. In addition, ido and flx-ido provide more efficient and faster (you don't have to manually invoke it) autocompletion than what you can get with prefix-based tab completion. Also, I haven't had any issue with ido+TRAMP - everything works seamlessly on my end.
  - gkya 11y ago
    I do not have all the commands memorised. But how emacs completes changes upon where you hit tab. if you type M-x re-bu TAB, it will show revert-buffer, re-builder, etc. If you hit TAB when cursor is at the beginning, like M-x buffer M-b TAB, it will show any command with buffer in it. Then you can C-x o to the Completions buffer and use any search tool on it, e.g. isearch-forward-regexp.
    - benaiah 11y ago
      More power to you, but I couldn't go back to manually-invoked completion at this point. An environment which gives me as much information as possible as quickly as possible in as few keystrokes as possible is a big priority for me, and I'm willing to have a few extra dependencies in order to get that.
      - gkya 11y ago
        It's not about dependencies, after all ido is part of emacs. I find the default with some tweaks to simply be better. Though it's a bit personal preference here I think.
        benaiah 11y ago
        "dependencies" was a reference to the numerous plugins I use to get ido in a state that I enjoy. I don't particularly like stock ido, though I prefer it to the standard completing-read.

You may be interested in checking out Ivy; it has a similar workflow to Helm but is much more lightweight. As a fan of Ido, Ivy has replaced Ido everywhere for me except for opening files.

benaiah 11y ago

I've heard good things about ivy, but haven't got around to revamping my config in some time. I'll check it out next time I do.

gkya 11y ago

I'm on 24.5, and I don't know how it was in the past, but Emacs' default minibuffer reading functionality is good enough that Ido, Ivy, Helm or whatnot seem superfluous to me. I can type C-x C-f ~/Git/projectx/src/ding/~/.xombrero/runtime//etc/fstab RET it will do the correct thing, and it will give visual feedback. Also I can type M-x rev-bu RET and it will run revert-buffer, and if I type TAB instead of RET, it will complete to actual command name. It will ignore case in completions if these variables are set: ;; Ignore case when completing file names in minibuffer. read-file-name-completion-ignore-case t read-buffer-completion-ignore-case t completion-ignore-case t Also an indispensable config: enable-recursive-minibuffers t What does them tools provide that can't be easily done by these? And ido fails when entering a TRAMP file name, so one has to hit C-f in minibuf to drop to the original prompt.

benaiah 11y ago
This works great if you have all the commands memorized. If you don't, fuzzy matching in ido is a fantastic way to find commands and variables that do what you want (Emacs has a great tendency to name user-facing commands very sensibly a lot of the time). Most of the time I can use C-h f and C-h v to figure out how to configure something without having to read the documentation. In addition, ido and flx-ido provide more efficient and faster (you don't have to manually invoke it) autocompletion than what you can get with prefix-based tab completion. Also, I haven't had any issue with ido+TRAMP - everything works seamlessly on my end.
- gkya 11y ago
  I do not have all the commands memorised. But how emacs completes changes upon where you hit tab. if you type M-x re-bu TAB, it will show revert-buffer, re-builder, etc. If you hit TAB when cursor is at the beginning, like M-x buffer M-b TAB, it will show any command with buffer in it. Then you can C-x o to the Completions buffer and use any search tool on it, e.g. isearch-forward-regexp.
  - benaiah 11y ago
    More power to you, but I couldn't go back to manually-invoked completion at this point. An environment which gives me as much information as possible as quickly as possible in as few keystrokes as possible is a big priority for me, and I'm willing to have a few extra dependencies in order to get that.
    - gkya 11y ago
      It's not about dependencies, after all ido is part of emacs. I find the default with some tweaks to simply be better. Though it's a bit personal preference here I think.
      - benaiah 11y ago
        "dependencies" was a reference to the numerous plugins I use to get ido in a state that I enjoy. I don't particularly like stock ido, though I prefer it to the standard completing-read.