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Given that all these editors are cross-platform, I don't see how the continued development of Emacs could be starving out innovation in the Unix world.
by MarcScott 11y ago
Given that all these editors are cross-platform, I don't see how the continued development of Emacs could be starving out innovation in the Unix world.
- pjmlp 11y agoMany on UNIX seem to keep living as if their quad-core with 16GB is actually a better PDP-11, hence starving innovation.
- TeMPOraL 11y agoWell, if those quad-cores and 16GB of RAM would actually be put to good use in the "modern"/"hot" IDE world, we could talk. If anything is starving out innovation, it's sticking to CUA, mouse-driven development and rewriting nano in JavaScript...
- pjmlp 11y agoWhen those IDEs are able to achieve what was possible in Xerox PARC workstations, as demoed occasionally by Bret Victor, then we can talk about moving forward. PDP-11 command line experience is not even there.
- __david__ 11y ago> PDP-11 command line experience is not even there. Are you saying the modern unix command line is not as good/better than the "PDP-11 command line experience"? Also, which PDP-11 command line? RSTS? RT11? Unix? or maybe that awesome front panel where you had to manually input your boot loader in binary every time you started the machine?
- pjmlp 11y ago> Are you saying the modern unix command line is not as good/better than the "PDP-11 command line experience"? No, I am saying that it isn't even close to the Xerox PARC REPL experience from Interlisp-D, Mesa/Cedar and Smalltalk environments. > Also, which PDP-11 command line? RSTS? RT11? Unix? or maybe that awesome front panel where you had to manually input your boot loader in binary every time you started the machine? The VT-100 interface some people seem to keep living on.
- praqzis 11y agoWhy have my IDE or developer tools take up all that? Instead, I like to save it to run a 4-node Kubernetes cluster running 8+ Docker containers to have a self contained distributed application locally during development (hey, it works on the airplane too when totally disconnected from a network).