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1. It's good that such boring, backbreaking labor is being automated away. 2. It's bad that we're still in the middle ages when it comes to this thing where if

1. It's good that such boring, backbreaking labor is being automated away. 2. It's bad that we're still in the middle ages when it comes to this thing where if you don't slave yourself enough to something, you starve because no money.

crapolasplatter 11y ago
Well said. Too bad we didn't have an Oligarch as this could be a great thing for Humanity. If robots took over all the jobs that nobody wants to do and people only did the things they loved whether its sitting on their arse or becoming doctors we might just evolve as a civilization to the next level. I think this is also key to becoming a monetary-less society. Obviously the trick and hard part will be to still get people interested and motivated to become doctors and engineers,etc .. I personally love what I do as an engineer and could see myself doing even more engineering tasks if resources wasn't a constraint. Personally I love problem solving and could not handle sitting on my arse all day long, and I don't think I'm one bit unique in this mentality. Will it happen ? I doubt any time within the next century if ever. However, I think to evolve as humanity we need to change the system we have today. Currently its more beneficial to hide information than to share it because of monetary gains.
- quietplatypus 11y ago
  Yeah, I'm an engineer now and if we were post-money I honestly would still be an engineer, because I take pleasure from finding out how things work and making new things that work. I think there are a lot of us like this. No one really wants to sit on their ass all day, that's just something that's made up by rich people to stress us out so we continue working like dogs for them instead of on our real projects. If you sat me down in front of the TV with no responsibilities forever everything provided I probably wouldn't last three days.
dpeterson 11y ago
Yeah, reality sucks doesn't it? For those infinite things we still need people to do, we can't just have some people do all the work while others get to sit around and enjoy.
- crapolasplatter 11y ago
  It doesn't suck but it could be better for a lot of people. Somehow I don't think that m-f 40+ hour work week is the most relevant thing about our live once we die.Yet its the most time consuming part of it.
  - dpeterson 11y ago
    Hmm, that's why I have spent every second outside work and my family working my ass off on a startup on the minute chance I create something of enough value that will free me from my m-f 40+. Huge motivator for me. Take that motivator away and I doubt you see nearly the # of people working hard to create value. I believe that's why socialism fails.. Every... Single... Time. But hey, we can do it better right?
    - dota_fanatic 11y ago
      Don't you find it alarming that the only motivation you have to work is so that you can afford to not have to work m-f 40+? What are you going to do if you fail to 'create value' (read: create something that is successfully monetized) and you're looking back on years of your life that you didn't spend more w/ yourself, family, and friends in your little free time, instead giving yourself for the success of a startup? How will you feel, seeing others do little and earn hordes of cash due to being on the right side of automation or being in the 'right' networks? Wouldn't you prefer to be free to work for things that you think are valuable... not in your free time, y'know, the time that should be for yourself and the things you love? What's up with all these weird open source folk, working hard to create value and giving it away for free, uplifting for all? I hear this linux thing is pretty cool. It's almost like we can capture productivity in code and then copy it endlessly for practically free and everyone benefits. How are these people motivated?! Maybe we should pursue this cooperation thing... who am I kidding. It fails every. single. time.! Right?
      - quietplatypus 11y ago
        Pretty much this, and I argue that it is because of motivations like his that we end up with companies purely meant to flout regulations to make money for themselves, like Zenefits, than anything that is of real value.
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crapolasplatter 11y ago

Well said. Too bad we didn't have an Oligarch as this could be a great thing for Humanity. If robots took over all the jobs that nobody wants to do and people only did the things they loved whether its sitting on their arse or becoming doctors we might just evolve as a civilization to the next level. I think this is also key to becoming a monetary-less society. Obviously the trick and hard part will be to still get people interested and motivated to become doctors and engineers,etc .. I personally love what I do as an engineer and could see myself doing even more engineering tasks if resources wasn't a constraint. Personally I love problem solving and could not handle sitting on my arse all day long, and I don't think I'm one bit unique in this mentality. Will it happen ? I doubt any time within the next century if ever. However, I think to evolve as humanity we need to change the system we have today. Currently its more beneficial to hide information than to share it because of monetary gains.

quietplatypus 11y ago
Yeah, I'm an engineer now and if we were post-money I honestly would still be an engineer, because I take pleasure from finding out how things work and making new things that work. I think there are a lot of us like this. No one really wants to sit on their ass all day, that's just something that's made up by rich people to stress us out so we continue working like dogs for them instead of on our real projects. If you sat me down in front of the TV with no responsibilities forever everything provided I probably wouldn't last three days.

dpeterson 11y ago

Yeah, reality sucks doesn't it? For those infinite things we still need people to do, we can't just have some people do all the work while others get to sit around and enjoy.

crapolasplatter 11y ago
It doesn't suck but it could be better for a lot of people. Somehow I don't think that m-f 40+ hour work week is the most relevant thing about our live once we die.Yet its the most time consuming part of it.
- dpeterson 11y ago
  Hmm, that's why I have spent every second outside work and my family working my ass off on a startup on the minute chance I create something of enough value that will free me from my m-f 40+. Huge motivator for me. Take that motivator away and I doubt you see nearly the # of people working hard to create value. I believe that's why socialism fails.. Every... Single... Time. But hey, we can do it better right?
  - dota_fanatic 11y ago
    Don't you find it alarming that the only motivation you have to work is so that you can afford to not have to work m-f 40+? What are you going to do if you fail to 'create value' (read: create something that is successfully monetized) and you're looking back on years of your life that you didn't spend more w/ yourself, family, and friends in your little free time, instead giving yourself for the success of a startup? How will you feel, seeing others do little and earn hordes of cash due to being on the right side of automation or being in the 'right' networks? Wouldn't you prefer to be free to work for things that you think are valuable... not in your free time, y'know, the time that should be for yourself and the things you love? What's up with all these weird open source folk, working hard to create value and giving it away for free, uplifting for all? I hear this linux thing is pretty cool. It's almost like we can capture productivity in code and then copy it endlessly for practically free and everyone benefits. How are these people motivated?! Maybe we should pursue this cooperation thing... who am I kidding. It fails every. single. time.! Right?
    - quietplatypus 11y ago
      Pretty much this, and I argue that it is because of motivations like his that we end up with companies purely meant to flout regulations to make money for themselves, like Zenefits, than anything that is of real value.

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