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Lots of mobile browsers have iPhone in their UA strings to work around browser detects that obsessed web developers have set up. Do all traffic market share rep

by pieter 17y ago

Lots of mobile browsers have iPhone in their UA strings to work around browser detects that obsessed web developers have set up. Do all traffic market share reporters work around that problem? Most probably do, but we can’t be sure. Which browsers do that?

jbox 17y ago
None. Having worked on mobile web applications that serve a wide range of devices, I can honestly say that this is not the case. I would challange ppk to cite examples of this behaviour.
- gizmo 17y ago
  Actually, you can change your user agent with Opera Mobile if I'm not mistaken.
  - sp332 17y ago
    You can change your UA in most major browsers. Not really the point.
rimantas 17y ago
This quote does not make much sense at all. Looks like ppk is so blinded by iPhone hate that he did not even bother to find out how these thing work. iPhone was the first mobile phone which made ordinary web usable on mobile device for me—and that's for sites without no optimization whatsoever. On the other hand most of optimization which makes web experience even more enjoyable on iPhone can be very simple (as simple as META element without any browser sniffing involved) and unobtrusive in the sense, that it does not affect other browsers. If your mobile browser cannot render simple website no UA faking will help it. And I lay the blame solely on those browsers, not the webdevs who gave up trying to make sense of them. What about calling mobile browser vendors to step up their game, instead of calling developers morons and wanting them to design to the lowest common denominator?
- GeneralMaximus 17y ago
  > iPhone was the first mobile phone which made ordinary web usable on mobile device for me ... ... while the rest of us did fine with Opera Mini on whatever "dumb phone" we owned. Try out Opera on one of Nokia's high-end Symbian phones one day (the N95 comes to mind). You'll be pleasantly surprised :)

by pieter 17y ago

jbox 17y ago

None. Having worked on mobile web applications that serve a wide range of devices, I can honestly say that this is not the case. I would challange ppk to cite examples of this behaviour.

gizmo 17y ago
Actually, you can change your user agent with Opera Mobile if I'm not mistaken.
- sp332 17y ago
  You can change your UA in most major browsers. Not really the point.

rimantas 17y ago

This quote does not make much sense at all. Looks like ppk is so blinded by iPhone hate that he did not even bother to find out how these thing work. iPhone was the first mobile phone which made ordinary web usable on mobile device for me—and that's for sites without no optimization whatsoever. On the other hand most of optimization which makes web experience even more enjoyable on iPhone can be very simple (as simple as META element without any browser sniffing involved) and unobtrusive in the sense, that it does not affect other browsers. If your mobile browser cannot render simple website no UA faking will help it. And I lay the blame solely on those browsers, not the webdevs who gave up trying to make sense of them. What about calling mobile browser vendors to step up their game, instead of calling developers morons and wanting them to design to the lowest common denominator?

GeneralMaximus 17y ago
> iPhone was the first mobile phone which made ordinary web usable on mobile device for me ... ... while the rest of us did fine with Opera Mini on whatever "dumb phone" we owned. Try out Opera on one of Nokia's high-end Symbian phones one day (the N95 comes to mind). You'll be pleasantly surprised :)