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These are cool but I wonder if they actually see a lot of use in the wild. SCUBA diver fighting shows up in James Bond a lot but I have to imagine in real life

by evan_ 11y ago

These are cool but I wonder if they actually see a lot of use in the wild. SCUBA diver fighting shows up in James Bond a lot but I have to imagine in real life it's more efficient to just cut an enemy diver's air hoses or wait for them to surface and shoot them while they're taking their equipment off.

mattmanser 11y ago
How are you going to cut their airhose when they're shooting you with an underwater assault rifle? And if you can get close enough to accurately cut the airhose, why not just stab them in the heart?
- maaku 11y ago
  > And if you can get close enough to accurately cut the airhose, why not just stab them in the heart? Because the hose is easier, but your first point applies.
  - Symmetry 11y ago
    It's not going to be easy getting a knife through a rib cage and it must be hard to get leverage underwater.
privong 11y ago
> These are cool but I wonder if they actually see a lot of use in the wild. I wonder if a FOIA request to the Department of Defense requesting "information about any underwater combat engagements between frogmen and/or divers" would result in anything useful?
- EthanHeilman 11y ago
  You might want to look into the story of Lionel Crabb, an SAS frogman suspected of being killed while performing espionage against a soviet warship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Crabb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Crabb
  - chrisseaton 11y ago
    Where did you get the SAS part from?
    - dazc 11y ago
      Special Force: The Untold Story of 22nd Special Air Service Regiment (SAS) https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CJ73AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA289&lpg=PA289&dq=Lionel+Crabb+sas&source=bl&ots=CIRoH0rLJ9&sig=r0zEuYM3QzYq4TMeDCBz-A-UMaQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD2pCEg_jKAhXHbBoKHZSwB-8Q6AEIQTAE#v=onepage&q=Lionel%20Crabb%20sas&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CJ73AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA289&lp...
      - chrisseaton 11y ago
        That doesn't say that he was in the SAS. It just has his name and SAS in the same paragraph. It says that in the past MI6 needed a person with military skills do something, as was the case with Crabb, so they decided to start cross-training SAS people to do that in the future. Neither the Wikipedia article nor this endnote says that Crabb was SAS.
        dazc 11y ago
        I was just hazarding a guess at the question: "Where did you get the SAS part from?"
  - arethuza 11y ago
    Probably more relevant to look at the UK SBS rather than the SAS.
  - gozur88 11y ago
    That's an interesting read. I wonder if the DNA is in good enough shape to tell us whether or not the body is his.
gaius 11y ago
Ever tried cutting a hose? They're tough, have to be.
- kika 11y ago
  Yep. There are knives good at this. I have this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FLTP0A http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FLTP0A
  - gaius 11y ago
    Nice. My titanium Halcyon struggles with it, but I guess that wasn't a use case they had in mind!
ryanlol 11y ago
That's significantly harder than shooting them, and they aren't going to not use guns just because you aren't.

by evan_ 11y ago

mattmanser 11y ago

How are you going to cut their airhose when they're shooting you with an underwater assault rifle? And if you can get close enough to accurately cut the airhose, why not just stab them in the heart?

maaku 11y ago
> And if you can get close enough to accurately cut the airhose, why not just stab them in the heart? Because the hose is easier, but your first point applies.
- Symmetry 11y ago
  It's not going to be easy getting a knife through a rib cage and it must be hard to get leverage underwater.

privong 11y ago

> These are cool but I wonder if they actually see a lot of use in the wild. I wonder if a FOIA request to the Department of Defense requesting "information about any underwater combat engagements between frogmen and/or divers" would result in anything useful?

EthanHeilman 11y ago
You might want to look into the story of Lionel Crabb, an SAS frogman suspected of being killed while performing espionage against a soviet warship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Crabb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Crabb
- chrisseaton 11y ago
  Where did you get the SAS part from?
  - dazc 11y ago
    Special Force: The Untold Story of 22nd Special Air Service Regiment (SAS) https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CJ73AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA289&lpg=PA289&dq=Lionel+Crabb+sas&source=bl&ots=CIRoH0rLJ9&sig=r0zEuYM3QzYq4TMeDCBz-A-UMaQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD2pCEg_jKAhXHbBoKHZSwB-8Q6AEIQTAE#v=onepage&q=Lionel%20Crabb%20sas&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CJ73AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA289&lp...
    - chrisseaton 11y ago
      That doesn't say that he was in the SAS. It just has his name and SAS in the same paragraph. It says that in the past MI6 needed a person with military skills do something, as was the case with Crabb, so they decided to start cross-training SAS people to do that in the future. Neither the Wikipedia article nor this endnote says that Crabb was SAS.
      - dazc 11y ago
        I was just hazarding a guess at the question: "Where did you get the SAS part from?"
- arethuza 11y ago
  Probably more relevant to look at the UK SBS rather than the SAS.
- gozur88 11y ago
  That's an interesting read. I wonder if the DNA is in good enough shape to tell us whether or not the body is his.

gaius 11y ago

Ever tried cutting a hose? They're tough, have to be.

kika 11y ago
Yep. There are knives good at this. I have this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FLTP0A http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FLTP0A
- gaius 11y ago
  Nice. My titanium Halcyon struggles with it, but I guess that wasn't a use case they had in mind!

ryanlol 11y ago

That's significantly harder than shooting them, and they aren't going to not use guns just because you aren't.