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>Nokia needed a better operating system for its phones to match Apple’s iOS I strongly disagree. Symbian just needed a few optimisation, which it got. It got t

by Aoyagi 11y ago

>Nokia needed a better operating system for its phones to match Apple’s iOS I strongly disagree. Symbian just needed a few optimisation, which it got. It got them too late, but it did. Maemo/MeeGo was probably more capable than iOS is today. And what exactly are those "quality problems of N95" they speak of? Nokia was indeed wounded by incompetent management, but Microsoft was the one who stepped in and finished the job.

raesene9 11y ago
Maemo was a more capable Mobile OS that iOS 9.x... that's an ... interesting... opinion. Care to provide some details on what you think makes that the case? My experience of Maemo on the N900 was that it wasn't really very polished and needed development which it, unfortunately, didn't get from Nokia
- Aoyagi 11y ago
  Well, sure. If you consider how nice an OS looks and how many "apps" there are for it the main parameter of "capability of an OS", then iOS is definitely more capable.
  - raesene9 11y ago
    Well it's perhaps not ridiculous to consider user experience and functionality as large factors in the capability of a device operation system is it? But I was more interested in what made you think that Maemo was more capable that iOS (i.e. what do you think it did better than iOS)?
    - Aoyagi 11y ago
      It leaves you in control. You can do anything with the OS, install anything, develop anything for it. Without an iTunes/Google/MS account. It's not limited to some proprietary connection over USB. There are so many things... As it is, no need to "jailbreak" it or something. Obviously it's not as fast, user-friendly, or easy to develop for.
      - raesene9 11y ago
        sure if what you want in a mobile phone is mobile linux, then I'd agree maemo is better. But when designing a device for the mass-market (which is where I'd suggest a flagship smartphone should be looking at), is that really better than something which is faster, more user-friendly and easier to develop for?
        Aoyagi 11y ago
        Heh, of course not. Making a power-user focused flagship doesn't make a lot of business sense. From that point of view, iOS is more capable (of making money) and better in general due to ease of use. But "ease of use" is not the primary thing I'm looking for when I think of smartphones.
threeseed 11y ago
> Maemo/MeeGo was probably more capable than iOS is today This is just a ridiculous statement. The iOS security architecture alone is more sophisticated and capable than Meego was. When you add all the various Frameworks and Kits iOS is an extremely broad operating system that even Android can't keep up with. > but Microsoft was the one who stepped in and finished the job No. There simply isn't room in the marketplace for more than three platforms. And Microsoft having better services, better engineers and a lot more money was always going to take that third spot.
- Aoyagi 11y ago
  Security architecture of iOS, as far as I know, is that same as that of WP - close everything. That inherently means that it's a lot less capable than it could be. >There simply isn't room in the marketplace for more than three platforms. Hah! Just like there "isn't room" for more than two parties in American politics, right? You can pull out any arbitrary number to claim something cannot be otherwise just because it happens to be the case right now.
- seba_dos1 11y ago
  I think "more capable" meant that Maemo was just a regular GNU/Linux running in your pocket, adjusted just enough to work well in such form factor. The system was yours just like it is on your PC. iOS, when compared to that, is a child's toy, designed to keep you from breaking it. Of course for some it's a feature.

by Aoyagi 11y ago

raesene9 11y ago

Maemo was a more capable Mobile OS that iOS 9.x... that's an ... interesting... opinion. Care to provide some details on what you think makes that the case? My experience of Maemo on the N900 was that it wasn't really very polished and needed development which it, unfortunately, didn't get from Nokia

Aoyagi 11y ago
Well, sure. If you consider how nice an OS looks and how many "apps" there are for it the main parameter of "capability of an OS", then iOS is definitely more capable.
- raesene9 11y ago
  Well it's perhaps not ridiculous to consider user experience and functionality as large factors in the capability of a device operation system is it? But I was more interested in what made you think that Maemo was more capable that iOS (i.e. what do you think it did better than iOS)?
  - Aoyagi 11y ago
    It leaves you in control. You can do anything with the OS, install anything, develop anything for it. Without an iTunes/Google/MS account. It's not limited to some proprietary connection over USB. There are so many things... As it is, no need to "jailbreak" it or something. Obviously it's not as fast, user-friendly, or easy to develop for.
    - raesene9 11y ago
      sure if what you want in a mobile phone is mobile linux, then I'd agree maemo is better. But when designing a device for the mass-market (which is where I'd suggest a flagship smartphone should be looking at), is that really better than something which is faster, more user-friendly and easier to develop for?
      - Aoyagi 11y ago
        Heh, of course not. Making a power-user focused flagship doesn't make a lot of business sense. From that point of view, iOS is more capable (of making money) and better in general due to ease of use. But "ease of use" is not the primary thing I'm looking for when I think of smartphones.

threeseed 11y ago

> Maemo/MeeGo was probably more capable than iOS is today This is just a ridiculous statement. The iOS security architecture alone is more sophisticated and capable than Meego was. When you add all the various Frameworks and Kits iOS is an extremely broad operating system that even Android can't keep up with. > but Microsoft was the one who stepped in and finished the job No. There simply isn't room in the marketplace for more than three platforms. And Microsoft having better services, better engineers and a lot more money was always going to take that third spot.

Aoyagi 11y ago
Security architecture of iOS, as far as I know, is that same as that of WP - close everything. That inherently means that it's a lot less capable than it could be. >There simply isn't room in the marketplace for more than three platforms. Hah! Just like there "isn't room" for more than two parties in American politics, right? You can pull out any arbitrary number to claim something cannot be otherwise just because it happens to be the case right now.
seba_dos1 11y ago
I think "more capable" meant that Maemo was just a regular GNU/Linux running in your pocket, adjusted just enough to work well in such form factor. The system was yours just like it is on your PC. iOS, when compared to that, is a child's toy, designed to keep you from breaking it. Of course for some it's a feature.