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>If you don't know what you're doing, expect really bad offers. An offer for a one/two-month tryout without pay has nothing to do with their skills. That's jus

>If you don't know what you're doing, expect really bad offers. An offer for a one/two-month tryout without pay has nothing to do with their skills. That's just someone trying to get some cheap labor.

matt_wulfeck 11y ago
Knowing what I make now I would consider 3 months without pay nothing to have my foot in the door. That being said I would never work three months without pay, but it's a risk some people are willing to take. I don't see any reason why it has to be without pay. "Under market" maybe but not without pay.
- synaesthesisx 11y ago
  The problem with unpaid internships is those opportunities skew in favor of those with privilege (and can afford to work, say 3 months without compensation).
  - staticautomatic 11y ago
    Actually, the problem with unpaid internships is that they're illegal as of a couple years ago.
    - samstave 11y ago
      The problem with unpaid internships is the fact that they are unpaid. Period.
- the_mitsuhiko 11y ago
  Nobody should ever take unpaid internships. The whole concept is ridiculous and exploitation. Contributing to Open Source instead is a much better foot in the door and you don't end up working for free for others.
  - themartorana 11y ago
    You'll likely meet (virtually, anyway) just as many influential people and won't feel horribly taken advantage of.
- samstave 11y ago
  >Knowing what I make now I would consider 3 months without pay nothing to have my foot in the door. can yin define this; this means that knowing that you now make a lot or you don't make enough?? also, the above, regardless seems to me to only apply to those newly entering the workforce as opposed to those that, like me have 20 years in tech and three kids.... no way would I think three months "trial" was anything other than shady slavery
bobwaycott 11y ago
That's just someone trying to get some free labor.
andrewfong 11y ago
Also, one to two months without pay for software development is of questionable legality, especially in CA.

matt_wulfeck 11y ago

Knowing what I make now I would consider 3 months without pay nothing to have my foot in the door. That being said I would never work three months without pay, but it's a risk some people are willing to take. I don't see any reason why it has to be without pay. "Under market" maybe but not without pay.

synaesthesisx 11y ago
The problem with unpaid internships is those opportunities skew in favor of those with privilege (and can afford to work, say 3 months without compensation).
- staticautomatic 11y ago
  Actually, the problem with unpaid internships is that they're illegal as of a couple years ago.
  - samstave 11y ago
    The problem with unpaid internships is the fact that they are unpaid. Period.
the_mitsuhiko 11y ago
Nobody should ever take unpaid internships. The whole concept is ridiculous and exploitation. Contributing to Open Source instead is a much better foot in the door and you don't end up working for free for others.
- themartorana 11y ago
  You'll likely meet (virtually, anyway) just as many influential people and won't feel horribly taken advantage of.
samstave 11y ago
>Knowing what I make now I would consider 3 months without pay nothing to have my foot in the door. can yin define this; this means that knowing that you now make a lot or you don't make enough?? also, the above, regardless seems to me to only apply to those newly entering the workforce as opposed to those that, like me have 20 years in tech and three kids.... no way would I think three months "trial" was anything other than shady slavery

bobwaycott 11y ago

That's just someone trying to get some free labor.

andrewfong 11y ago

Also, one to two months without pay for software development is of questionable legality, especially in CA.