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> surely is on the CIA to not be easy the get access to this sort of stuff from a 15 year old kid Just because you can throw a stone into a storefront and stea

by kayoone 11y ago

> surely is on the CIA to not be easy the get access to this sort of stuff from a 15 year old kid Just because you can throw a stone into a storefront and steal stuff, does not mean you are free to do that. Or are you arguing that just because it's the evil CIA, it's fine to hack them and leak tons of personal info (which potentially puts lifes in danger)

TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
The argument is that CIA - which counts itself as part of the security services - ought to know at least a little about online security. >Just because you can throw a stone into a storefront and steal stuff, does not mean you are free to do that. There are parts of the world where tourists are warned about pickpockets. Of course pickpockets shouldn't pick pockets. But that's not the world we live in. Only a fool goes walking in those parts of the world without taking good precautions. And if you're an intelligence agent, that goes at least double.
- kayoone 11y ago
  Sure, but again, just because something is possible and seen daily around the world does not mean it's legal or should not be prosecuted. Like someone else said, that is like a rapist blaming the victim for making it too easy.
  - Tiksi 11y ago
    I don't think the argument is that they shouldn't be prosecuted for hacking the CIA, as much as that the CIA should also be prosecuted for having such shit security on important data. Personally I don't think drafting a new law for that is a good idea, but I can see how it could fall under gross negligence.
hartpuff 11y ago
> Or are you arguing that just because it's the evil CIA, it's fine to hack them and leak tons of personal info (which potentially puts lifes in danger) If he isn't arguing that's a valid reason, allow me. Or are you arguing that the CIA is not "evil"? For anyone outside the US, or anyone inside who can set blind patriotism aside, the CIA has spent its entire existence doing very bad things, up to and including including murder, torture, coups d'etat and other violence and atrocities against countless people and nations. Given this role the CIA takes upon itself around the world - ruining or taking actual lives, using the excuse of theoretically saving lives - maybe leaking names (and AFAICS all this kid has done is access a Verizon email account) puts fewer people's lives in danger.
rblatz 11y ago
I would argue that this kid should be punished no more than he would be for breaking into anyone's email. The CIA should require nation state level effort to break into, not bored 15 year old effort.

by kayoone 11y ago

TheOtherHobbes 11y ago

The argument is that CIA - which counts itself as part of the security services - ought to know at least a little about online security. >Just because you can throw a stone into a storefront and steal stuff, does not mean you are free to do that. There are parts of the world where tourists are warned about pickpockets. Of course pickpockets shouldn't pick pockets. But that's not the world we live in. Only a fool goes walking in those parts of the world without taking good precautions. And if you're an intelligence agent, that goes at least double.

kayoone 11y ago
Sure, but again, just because something is possible and seen daily around the world does not mean it's legal or should not be prosecuted. Like someone else said, that is like a rapist blaming the victim for making it too easy.
- Tiksi 11y ago
  I don't think the argument is that they shouldn't be prosecuted for hacking the CIA, as much as that the CIA should also be prosecuted for having such shit security on important data. Personally I don't think drafting a new law for that is a good idea, but I can see how it could fall under gross negligence.

hartpuff 11y ago

> Or are you arguing that just because it's the evil CIA, it's fine to hack them and leak tons of personal info (which potentially puts lifes in danger) If he isn't arguing that's a valid reason, allow me. Or are you arguing that the CIA is not "evil"? For anyone outside the US, or anyone inside who can set blind patriotism aside, the CIA has spent its entire existence doing very bad things, up to and including including murder, torture, coups d'etat and other violence and atrocities against countless people and nations. Given this role the CIA takes upon itself around the world - ruining or taking actual lives, using the excuse of theoretically saving lives - maybe leaking names (and AFAICS all this kid has done is access a Verizon email account) puts fewer people's lives in danger.

rblatz 11y ago

I would argue that this kid should be punished no more than he would be for breaking into anyone's email. The CIA should require nation state level effort to break into, not bored 15 year old effort.