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From wikipedia: Al-Waleed is considered a proponent for female emancipation in the Saudi world. He has financed the training of Hanadi Zakaria al-Hindi to becom

by mkaziz 11y ago

From wikipedia: Al-Waleed is considered a proponent for female emancipation in the Saudi world. He has financed the training of Hanadi Zakaria al-Hindi to become the first Saudi woman commercial airline pilot and has stated on her graduation that he is "in full support of Saudi ladies working in all fields". Al-Hindi became certified to fly within Saudi Arabia in 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal#First_Saudi_female_pilot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal#First_Saud... Do you assume he's a misogynist and a human rights violater because he is from Saudi Arabia?

huac 11y ago
There's a lot of rumors and allegations around him - this article goes through some: http://www.businessinsider.com/prince-alwaleed-2012-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/prince-alwaleed-2012-1 - accused of rape (case went to court) - keeps dwarves as basically 'court jesters' - tosses dwarves - maims animals instead of shooting to kill - poorly treats workers - "But several sources say this pilot, Hanadi Zakariya Hindi, has hardly flown any of Alwaleed's aircraft, certainly not his massive jets. They say that when she was hired, Alwaleed told his aviation staff that she never would." then again, "Al-Waleed announced that he would donate his entire fortune to charity at an unspecified date, in order to foster cultural understanding and empower women among other motivations." is a pretty big move if true
- mkaziz 11y ago
  There's good and bad in most people, and most people do good and bad things on a daily basis, let alone over the course of a lifetime. It's quite possible he mistreats his servants and maims animals, but also intends to donate his fortune at a future unspecified date. (And if you wanna talk concrete - he did send a large cheque to the mayor of NYC immediately after 9/11 that was ultimately refused for political reasons). I don't know the Prince at all except for the occasional news article (including the one you've linked, coincidentally), but my objection was to GP's blatant lumping in him him with the rest of the Sauds (some of whom are undoubtedly very bad), and how that's acceptable because he's, well, a Saud.
dominotw 11y ago
yes hiring some female pilot makes him a champion of human rights. Are you serious? fuck him. Its disgusting to tolerate gross forms of slavery and fund his grotesque lifestyle from that money. Disgusting human being.
- mkaziz 11y ago
  From your comments, I take it you have some idea of how misogynistic Saudi culture is. Then take a step back and appreciate the effort he's putting in to change that. Also you're welcome to criticize his actions and even his lifestyle, but the clear ad hominem in your comment is against the HN ethos.
  - dominotw 11y ago
    Yep I had distant family get enslaved, his passport was taken away, was not allowed to return home for over 2 years. What ad hominem? all this can be easily verified by minimum amount of research. He has power to make a real change instead he chooses meaningless publicity stunts like female pilots. Are you some sort of supporter of his? "there is good and bad in all people" are you serious? Would be saying the same thing if you yourself were taken in as a slave without access to a toilet.
revelation 11y ago
Yes, how is it we assume he's a misogynist and human rights violater for being an integral part of a government that does these very things? You can not be serious? Of course that's why.
- dominotw 11y ago
  >a government that does these very things? not to forget world wide sponser for these ideas .
- mkaziz 11y ago
  He's an integral part of what government? He doesn't have an explicit government role in Saudi Arabia - he's just the (very rich) CEO of a holding company. And let's say he was even a part of Saudi government - how dare you presume that he's a misogynist because of that? Maybe we should have a quick conversation about how Obama is a racist because of he's an integral part of the state apparatus that institutionalizes racism and incarceration of black people, eh?

by mkaziz 11y ago

huac 11y ago

There's a lot of rumors and allegations around him - this article goes through some: http://www.businessinsider.com/prince-alwaleed-2012-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/prince-alwaleed-2012-1 - accused of rape (case went to court) - keeps dwarves as basically 'court jesters' - tosses dwarves - maims animals instead of shooting to kill - poorly treats workers - "But several sources say this pilot, Hanadi Zakariya Hindi, has hardly flown any of Alwaleed's aircraft, certainly not his massive jets. They say that when she was hired, Alwaleed told his aviation staff that she never would." then again, "Al-Waleed announced that he would donate his entire fortune to charity at an unspecified date, in order to foster cultural understanding and empower women among other motivations." is a pretty big move if true

mkaziz 11y ago
There's good and bad in most people, and most people do good and bad things on a daily basis, let alone over the course of a lifetime. It's quite possible he mistreats his servants and maims animals, but also intends to donate his fortune at a future unspecified date. (And if you wanna talk concrete - he did send a large cheque to the mayor of NYC immediately after 9/11 that was ultimately refused for political reasons). I don't know the Prince at all except for the occasional news article (including the one you've linked, coincidentally), but my objection was to GP's blatant lumping in him him with the rest of the Sauds (some of whom are undoubtedly very bad), and how that's acceptable because he's, well, a Saud.

dominotw 11y ago

yes hiring some female pilot makes him a champion of human rights. Are you serious? fuck him. Its disgusting to tolerate gross forms of slavery and fund his grotesque lifestyle from that money. Disgusting human being.

mkaziz 11y ago
From your comments, I take it you have some idea of how misogynistic Saudi culture is. Then take a step back and appreciate the effort he's putting in to change that. Also you're welcome to criticize his actions and even his lifestyle, but the clear ad hominem in your comment is against the HN ethos.
- dominotw 11y ago
  Yep I had distant family get enslaved, his passport was taken away, was not allowed to return home for over 2 years. What ad hominem? all this can be easily verified by minimum amount of research. He has power to make a real change instead he chooses meaningless publicity stunts like female pilots. Are you some sort of supporter of his? "there is good and bad in all people" are you serious? Would be saying the same thing if you yourself were taken in as a slave without access to a toilet.

revelation 11y ago

Yes, how is it we assume he's a misogynist and human rights violater for being an integral part of a government that does these very things? You can not be serious? Of course that's why.

dominotw 11y ago
>a government that does these very things? not to forget world wide sponser for these ideas .
mkaziz 11y ago
He's an integral part of what government? He doesn't have an explicit government role in Saudi Arabia - he's just the (very rich) CEO of a holding company. And let's say he was even a part of Saudi government - how dare you presume that he's a misogynist because of that? Maybe we should have a quick conversation about how Obama is a racist because of he's an integral part of the state apparatus that institutionalizes racism and incarceration of black people, eh?