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Well trolled.

by kcarter80 11y ago

Well trolled.

soheil 11y ago
How so? Before down voting please point out the flaw in my argument.
- sarciszewski 11y ago
  People don't seek homosexuality. At least, I sure as hell didn't. (Clarification: I'm male, so technically I'd be out of scope anyway since I'm supposed to earn less because of who I am according to the article, but the point stands.)
  - soheil 11y ago
    Yes I was just wondering if there was a possibility of it after the point which this study has been released not prior to it.
    - sarciszewski 11y ago
      If you're wondering, try forcing yourself to sincerely be attracted to a different sex than the one you're currently attracted to.
      - nommm-nommm 11y ago
        Or even try to force yourself to be attracted to someone you aren't attracted to regardless of sex/gender. It may happen over time on its own but you can't force that attraction into existence.
        soheil 11y ago
        I was never wondering about the claimed impossibility of one person actually changing their sexual orientation physically/mentally, but instead whether they'd claim so for ulterior reasons. Think men having sex in prisons while still attracted to women.
      - soheil 11y ago
        I was never wondering about your claimed impossibility of one person actually changing their sexual orientation physically/mentally, but instead whether they'd claim so for ulterior reasons. Think men having sex in prisons while still attracted to women.
- hobs 11y ago
  It doesn't follow that someone would choose to change their sexual orientation for a possible 9% increase. People dont spontaneously change their sexual orientation because its slightly easier to do it this way, otherwise the hardships and trials that the gay community had experienced the last 50 years could have been waved away by just magically turning straight. It's utter madness to suggest that is going to happen or people reading an article on a news site will somehow "decide" to go gay because of their pay. IMO you absolutely deserve the downvotes for this argument, and most people probably dont think they need to justify such a widely accepted point.
  - soheil 11y ago
    I was merely suggesting there may be a chance of that happening never suggested it "follows". Also unable to reply to "JumpCrisscross" above, perhaps because he has so many points? Any ideas why?
    - pjc50 11y ago
      There's a slightly wonky rate limit on comments having a "reply" link.
- JumpCrisscross 11y ago
  We have no evidence that homosexuality is a choice. We do have evidence that it may have epigenetic [1] and/or neonatal origins [2], neither of which are factors under an individual's control. Suggesting women may "turn lesbian" to access higher incomes thus presupposes a conversion mechanism that has not been shown to exist. Suggesting it as a possibility could be offensive to some given how gay rights were restricted with political arguments framing homosexuality as a personal choice. [1] http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosexuality-in-men-1.18530 http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosex... [2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/
  - soheil 11y ago
    Ok now the reply button shows up for this comment, weird, because before it didn't. Anyway. You have a valid point, but are we to stop discussion of all potential events that may occur in the future because it may appear a inappropriate to some? No study has suggested that anyone can just "turn lesbian" you are right, but that is before the current study was released and its impact measured on the masses. Why am I not allowed to think and speculate about what may happen as a result of this study?
    - nommm-nommm 11y ago
      >Ok now the reply button shows up for this comment, weird, because before it didn't. Normal. HN has rate limiting. The reply link eventually does show up.
    - JumpCrisscross 11y ago
      You didn't just speculate. You expressed a value judgement by "[hoping] this study does not encourage more women to become lesbian". Consider the racial wealth gap [1]. Would you find it appropriate to say "I hope this study does not encourage more white people to become asian"? [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/17/business/racial-wealth-gap-persists-despite-degree-study-says.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/17/business/racial-wealth-gap...
- RIMR 11y ago
  1: Homosexuality isn't a choice. 2: Homosexuality isn't dangerous.

Well trolled.

soheil 11y ago

How so? Before down voting please point out the flaw in my argument.

sarciszewski 11y ago
People don't seek homosexuality. At least, I sure as hell didn't. (Clarification: I'm male, so technically I'd be out of scope anyway since I'm supposed to earn less because of who I am according to the article, but the point stands.)
- soheil 11y ago
  Yes I was just wondering if there was a possibility of it after the point which this study has been released not prior to it.
  - sarciszewski 11y ago
    If you're wondering, try forcing yourself to sincerely be attracted to a different sex than the one you're currently attracted to.
    - nommm-nommm 11y ago
      Or even try to force yourself to be attracted to someone you aren't attracted to regardless of sex/gender. It may happen over time on its own but you can't force that attraction into existence.
      - soheil 11y ago
        I was never wondering about the claimed impossibility of one person actually changing their sexual orientation physically/mentally, but instead whether they'd claim so for ulterior reasons. Think men having sex in prisons while still attracted to women.
    - soheil 11y ago
      I was never wondering about your claimed impossibility of one person actually changing their sexual orientation physically/mentally, but instead whether they'd claim so for ulterior reasons. Think men having sex in prisons while still attracted to women.
hobs 11y ago
It doesn't follow that someone would choose to change their sexual orientation for a possible 9% increase. People dont spontaneously change their sexual orientation because its slightly easier to do it this way, otherwise the hardships and trials that the gay community had experienced the last 50 years could have been waved away by just magically turning straight. It's utter madness to suggest that is going to happen or people reading an article on a news site will somehow "decide" to go gay because of their pay. IMO you absolutely deserve the downvotes for this argument, and most people probably dont think they need to justify such a widely accepted point.
- soheil 11y ago
  I was merely suggesting there may be a chance of that happening never suggested it "follows". Also unable to reply to "JumpCrisscross" above, perhaps because he has so many points? Any ideas why?
  - pjc50 11y ago
    There's a slightly wonky rate limit on comments having a "reply" link.
JumpCrisscross 11y ago
We have no evidence that homosexuality is a choice. We do have evidence that it may have epigenetic [1] and/or neonatal origins [2], neither of which are factors under an individual's control. Suggesting women may "turn lesbian" to access higher incomes thus presupposes a conversion mechanism that has not been shown to exist. Suggesting it as a possibility could be offensive to some given how gay rights were restricted with political arguments framing homosexuality as a personal choice. [1] http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosexuality-in-men-1.18530 http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosex... [2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/
- soheil 11y ago
  Ok now the reply button shows up for this comment, weird, because before it didn't. Anyway. You have a valid point, but are we to stop discussion of all potential events that may occur in the future because it may appear a inappropriate to some? No study has suggested that anyone can just "turn lesbian" you are right, but that is before the current study was released and its impact measured on the masses. Why am I not allowed to think and speculate about what may happen as a result of this study?
  - nommm-nommm 11y ago
    >Ok now the reply button shows up for this comment, weird, because before it didn't. Normal. HN has rate limiting. The reply link eventually does show up.
  - JumpCrisscross 11y ago
    You didn't just speculate. You expressed a value judgement by "[hoping] this study does not encourage more women to become lesbian". Consider the racial wealth gap [1]. Would you find it appropriate to say "I hope this study does not encourage more white people to become asian"? [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/17/business/racial-wealth-gap-persists-despite-degree-study-says.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/17/business/racial-wealth-gap...
RIMR 11y ago
1: Homosexuality isn't a choice. 2: Homosexuality isn't dangerous.