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Subtitle "experiment reveals that organism's behaviour is influenced by most important driver for genetic survival".

by nmeofthestate 11y ago

skeltoac 11y ago
They don't like to be reminded that they are organisms. They prefer to be addressed as social constructs only.
untog 11y ago
Sub-subtitle being "human beings utterly unable to overcome base impulses despite higher order brain functions", then?
- gluelogic 11y ago
  No, just the ones in the cherrypicked examples for this article, perhaps.
  - untog 11y ago
    Sure, but the OPs implication was that this kind of thing is unavoidable because of genetic impulse. It is absolutely avoidable.
  - the_af 11y ago
    Not cherrypicked. The article mentions they were surprised by the amount of inappropriate flirting. They only cherrypicked the most "amusing" attempts.
    - oldmanjay 11y ago
      I'm always amused when someone rebuts their own thesis in their conclusion. Thanks for the laugh!
      - the_af 11y ago
        You're welcome, but of course I didn't rebut my own thesis: 1- Post says: "Sub-subtitle being "human beings utterly unable to overcome base impulses despite higher order brain functions", then?" 2- A reply says: "No, just the ones in the cherrypicked examples for this article, perhaps." 3- My post says (paraphrased for comprehension): "These aren't examples cherrypicked to show people unable to refrain from inappropriate base impulses. The only cherrypicking is for amusement. The rest of the article explains that the number of people surrendering to inappropriate base impulses was surprisingly high. So the sub-subtitle remains correct." 4- Your post. Do you see it now? Laughter is always welcome, so feel free to continue :)
        oldmanjay 11y ago
        Oh, I saw what you intended in your original post. I was just amused at how poorly you phrased it.
- nmeofthestate 11y ago
  Humans, eh? Typical.
- toyg 11y ago
  The concept of "base" impulses and a hierarchy of value in body functions (intellect is "high", reproduction and digestion are "low") is a terrible remain of late Victorian / early Fascism periods. We are not holy souls trapped in a dirty world of temptation for the benefit of some higher power: we are (social) animals who evolved to be smarter and more flexible than all other animals. A lot of the problems in the current culture wars are due to this idea that sexual activity is just vile. This generates repression, which generates anger and misunderstanding on both sides. Maybe we should try giving a bit more respectability to these "base" impulses, and learn how to live with them openly, rather than trying to pretend they don't exist.
  - vertex-four 11y ago
    Forcing your sexuality on somebody else in a context other than one where they desire it is terrible, whether or not sex is a good thing in general. Sexual activity is awesome, when it's between two people who both actually want it. I think you'll find that most of the people you're vilifying agree.
    - StavrosK 11y ago
      > Forcing your sexuality on somebody else in a context other than one where they desire it is terrible How will you know if the other party desires it without showing your intentions?
      - vertex-four 11y ago
        Generally speaking, if a person is required to talk to you as their job, they probably don't desire it.[0] They're not in the right headspace and they get it plenty enough as it is. Similarly, if you have no idea who they are and they're not in a location (physically or online) which implies they're interested in receiving random attention, they're probably not going to be interested. Aside from that, testing boundaries is something most people seem to learn to do. Personally, as a woman, I've been friends first with almost every person I've dated - I have a suspicion that that is what's missing from the current general dating culture. The idea that every person you meet, you've got to decide whether they're "dating material" or "friend material" near-instantly (generally based on the context of where/how you met them) is bizarre. [0] They also probably don't desire discussions about politics or your pet dog or other things unrelated to the job unless they bring it up. They're rarely in a position of power here - the customer is. You're not equals in this exchange.
pekk 11y ago
Why aren't any women or gay men in the support channels hitting on the male support agent?
- deedub 11y ago
  There are.

Subtitle "experiment reveals that organism's behaviour is influenced by most important driver for genetic survival".

skeltoac 11y ago

They don't like to be reminded that they are organisms. They prefer to be addressed as social constructs only.

untog 11y ago

Sub-subtitle being "human beings utterly unable to overcome base impulses despite higher order brain functions", then?

gluelogic 11y ago
No, just the ones in the cherrypicked examples for this article, perhaps.
- untog 11y ago
  Sure, but the OPs implication was that this kind of thing is unavoidable because of genetic impulse. It is absolutely avoidable.
- the_af 11y ago
  Not cherrypicked. The article mentions they were surprised by the amount of inappropriate flirting. They only cherrypicked the most "amusing" attempts.
  - oldmanjay 11y ago
    I'm always amused when someone rebuts their own thesis in their conclusion. Thanks for the laugh!
    - the_af 11y ago
      You're welcome, but of course I didn't rebut my own thesis: 1- Post says: "Sub-subtitle being "human beings utterly unable to overcome base impulses despite higher order brain functions", then?" 2- A reply says: "No, just the ones in the cherrypicked examples for this article, perhaps." 3- My post says (paraphrased for comprehension): "These aren't examples cherrypicked to show people unable to refrain from inappropriate base impulses. The only cherrypicking is for amusement. The rest of the article explains that the number of people surrendering to inappropriate base impulses was surprisingly high. So the sub-subtitle remains correct." 4- Your post. Do you see it now? Laughter is always welcome, so feel free to continue :)
      - oldmanjay 11y ago
        Oh, I saw what you intended in your original post. I was just amused at how poorly you phrased it.
nmeofthestate 11y ago
Humans, eh? Typical.
toyg 11y ago
The concept of "base" impulses and a hierarchy of value in body functions (intellect is "high", reproduction and digestion are "low") is a terrible remain of late Victorian / early Fascism periods. We are not holy souls trapped in a dirty world of temptation for the benefit of some higher power: we are (social) animals who evolved to be smarter and more flexible than all other animals. A lot of the problems in the current culture wars are due to this idea that sexual activity is just vile. This generates repression, which generates anger and misunderstanding on both sides. Maybe we should try giving a bit more respectability to these "base" impulses, and learn how to live with them openly, rather than trying to pretend they don't exist.
- vertex-four 11y ago
  Forcing your sexuality on somebody else in a context other than one where they desire it is terrible, whether or not sex is a good thing in general. Sexual activity is awesome, when it's between two people who both actually want it. I think you'll find that most of the people you're vilifying agree.
  - StavrosK 11y ago
    > Forcing your sexuality on somebody else in a context other than one where they desire it is terrible How will you know if the other party desires it without showing your intentions?
    - vertex-four 11y ago
      Generally speaking, if a person is required to talk to you as their job, they probably don't desire it.[0] They're not in the right headspace and they get it plenty enough as it is. Similarly, if you have no idea who they are and they're not in a location (physically or online) which implies they're interested in receiving random attention, they're probably not going to be interested. Aside from that, testing boundaries is something most people seem to learn to do. Personally, as a woman, I've been friends first with almost every person I've dated - I have a suspicion that that is what's missing from the current general dating culture. The idea that every person you meet, you've got to decide whether they're "dating material" or "friend material" near-instantly (generally based on the context of where/how you met them) is bizarre. [0] They also probably don't desire discussions about politics or your pet dog or other things unrelated to the job unless they bring it up. They're rarely in a position of power here - the customer is. You're not equals in this exchange.

pekk 11y ago

Why aren't any women or gay men in the support channels hitting on the male support agent?

deedub 11y ago
There are.