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> The vibe I'm getting from Sweden (I lived there for a while, learned the language and still follow the news), is that it's moving to a more and more class-seg

> The vibe I'm getting from Sweden (I lived there for a while, learned the language and still follow the news), is that it's moving to a more and more class-segregated country. Sure, everybody can look for the best school for their children, but only parents from higher socioeconomic classes will do that. Hear, hear. The school system decline is also a political "hot potato" because of the connection to increasing immigration. Since free immigration is considered a holy sacrament by many Swedes, it is a political no-no to connect school problems to immigration (just wait and see if I get any comments to this statement on here) For the ten worst performing schools in Sweden, where students have the lowest grades in 2015, these are the stats: Rågsveds skola, Stockholm (90 percent immigrants) Ryaskolan, Göteborg (93 percent immigrants) Vättleskolan, Göteborg (84 percent immigrants) Västra Engelbrektsskolan, Örebro (82 percent immigrants) Hjällboskolan, Göteborg (99 percent immigrants) Kronan, Trollhättan (98 percent immigrants) Sandeklevsskolan, Göteborg (98 percent immigrants) Apelgårdsskolan, Malmö (99 percent immigrants) Nivrenaskolan, Sundsvall (22 percent immigrants) Rinkebyskolan, Stockholm (98 percent immigrants) It would appear that the Swedish school system is not able to properly educate immigrants. And as you say, Sweden is "moving to a more and more class-segregated country." It very clear from the above list. The 32-year old minister of education, Mr Fridolin, recently went on record saying the government will NOT implement further restrictions on immigration. He also said he would fix the school system in 100 days. Source of statistics: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/vast/skolsituationen-akut-i-kommunerna http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/vast/skolsituationen-aku... Asbestos suit ready. Flame on.

legulere 11y ago
Those numbers also show that segregation is already happening. It's extremely common that those immigrating to a more affluent country usually end up in lower socioeconomic classes. Filling a school almost only with the children of those of course is a recipe for a disaster. How the hell should lower class immigrants get out of that class when those are the only people around them?
- seivan 11y ago
  It's irrelevant as long as parents take care of their part to ensure the kids are studying and behaving. That's the missing link. Sweden doesn't have that. You've relied to much on the government and that affects new immigrants to behave the same way but in areas where the government (schools, cops) has actually given up.
seivan 11y ago
I'm surprised Dalhagskolan 1-5 and Husbyskolan 6-9 isn't on that list. I'm no genius, but think even I managed average MVG without ever studying at home. It was that bad. Husbyskolan was exceptionally bad when I went there ~2000. My class was the last class with actual Swedes in it. I agree with everything you brought up. My parents thought Hjällbo was so bad that they left for Husby around 1997. Too be fair, immigrants didn't cause this. Curled generation and old Swedish communists together managed to cook this up. My parents are immigrants and didn't repeat the school mistakes with my brother. He's doing med school soon.
dang 11y ago
Internecine Swedish politics are becoming their own circle of hell on Hacker News. > Asbestos suit ready. Flame on. Please don't do this here. I don't just mean talking blithely about flamewars, but conducting them at all. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11087694 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11087694 and marked it off-topic.
- qb45 11y ago
  I see GP's allusions to flamewars more as rhetorical figures than actual invitation to flaming. But whatever, you are the boss :)
  - dang 11y ago
    Not the boss, and normally I'd agree, but one of the odder discoveries of HN moderation is that internecine Swedish political subthreads turn out to be virulent.

legulere 11y ago

Those numbers also show that segregation is already happening. It's extremely common that those immigrating to a more affluent country usually end up in lower socioeconomic classes. Filling a school almost only with the children of those of course is a recipe for a disaster. How the hell should lower class immigrants get out of that class when those are the only people around them?

seivan 11y ago
It's irrelevant as long as parents take care of their part to ensure the kids are studying and behaving. That's the missing link. Sweden doesn't have that. You've relied to much on the government and that affects new immigrants to behave the same way but in areas where the government (schools, cops) has actually given up.

seivan 11y ago

I'm surprised Dalhagskolan 1-5 and Husbyskolan 6-9 isn't on that list. I'm no genius, but think even I managed average MVG without ever studying at home. It was that bad. Husbyskolan was exceptionally bad when I went there ~2000. My class was the last class with actual Swedes in it. I agree with everything you brought up. My parents thought Hjällbo was so bad that they left for Husby around 1997. Too be fair, immigrants didn't cause this. Curled generation and old Swedish communists together managed to cook this up. My parents are immigrants and didn't repeat the school mistakes with my brother. He's doing med school soon.

dang 11y ago

Internecine Swedish politics are becoming their own circle of hell on Hacker News. > Asbestos suit ready. Flame on. Please don't do this here. I don't just mean talking blithely about flamewars, but conducting them at all. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11087694 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11087694 and marked it off-topic.

qb45 11y ago
I see GP's allusions to flamewars more as rhetorical figures than actual invitation to flaming. But whatever, you are the boss :)
- dang 11y ago
  Not the boss, and normally I'd agree, but one of the odder discoveries of HN moderation is that internecine Swedish political subthreads turn out to be virulent.