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Where does the youth diaspora in Vancouver lead to? The suburbs? Other cities in Canada or the US?

by Yhippa 11y ago

jhou2 11y ago
A lot of the young people go back to Asia for better jobs after graduating. Silicon Valley and Seattle are popular destinations. Also some move to Toronto or Montreal.
anuj_nm 11y ago
I went to UBC, Vancouver from my undergrad. A large part of my friends moved to the US (since the exchange rate works in your favor). Calgary and Toronto are also popular.
Zanta 11y ago
Suburbs of Toronto for me and several of my friends from my time at UBC. A lot of us were transplants from across the country, tried to hack it professionally in Vancouver before eventually being driven elsewhere by job and housing prospects.
serge2k 11y ago
Loads go to the US. TN is easy to get and you can get close to (or more than) 50% higher salary (not including exchange rate, before tax).
- generalpf 11y ago
  You have to lie and say you're a systems analyst to get a TN visa. (Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.)
  - serge2k 11y ago
    Correct, although it's a small lie as you still submit paperwork which states what your job actually entails (albeit with an emphasis on design and such over actual programming every day).
swizerguos 11y ago
After ubc I went back to the states along with everyone else who got the chance - otherwise calgary, Toronto and montreal, or asia. Kids in Asia who have ubc/northamerican degrees are treated like golden children from what I hear. A former roommate from jakarta said he applied to langara cause even that's prestigious lol
kentt 11y ago
I'm an hour outside of Vancouver in Abbotsford. Housing is still high, 300k for a single detached unit, but it's very liveable.
- empressplay 11y ago
  A modest house in the suburbs of Victoria is 400K now so that's not too bad, really.
  - rconti 11y ago
    Price is reasonable, but an hour outside Vancouver is damn far.
cperciva 11y ago
The suburbs? There's a lot of this, yes. And the suburbs aren't necessarily very suburban: I live in a 30 floor condo tower in Burnaby, and within 2 block radius there's a dozen similar towers and twenty more 30-60 floor towers in various stages of zoning hearings (8) / building approval (7) / digging big holes (2) / towers going up (3). There are two major phenomena at play in Vancouver: 1. Across Metro Vancouver, the supply of land for single family detached houses is very constrained; this is pushing prices of detached houses up dramatically. 2. The City of Vancouver proper is very hostile to development, due to a toxic combination of NIMBYism, height restrictions to maintain "view corridors" of the nearby mountains, and social activists who think that building more housing will somehow make housing less affordable. But if you're willing to live in a condo and you don't mind living a 20 minute train ride away from downtown, the cost of housing is far more reasonable than hysterical media reports would have you believe; and unlike detached houses, prices of condos have barely kept up with inflation over the past decade.
- darryl42 11y ago
  How confident are you of not getting a multi hundred thousand dollar assessment when the condo starts leaking or otherwise falling apart? Owning a condo worries me, no control over the maintenance, no ability to do any changes to it, no space to start a family.
  - cperciva 11y ago
    The roof on your house can suddenly start leaking, too. Vancouver was plagued by "leaky condos" in the 1980s and early 1990s, but that's over now: This happened due to a rapid expansion of condo construction using building designs suited for a drier climate. There have been no signs of problems in newer buildings. Stata corporations are normally supposed to have depreciation reports prepared in order to identify upcoming costs; unfortunately these can be waived with a vote of unit holders, and most do. The best remedy here is to not buy a unit which doesn't have a recent depreciation report. no space to start a family In terms of $ per unit floor area, condos are cheaper than detached houses. Sure, you don't get a lawn... but you get access to lots of other amenities. I'm not convinced that raising kids in a condo is as hard as people think.
goalieca 11y ago
I grew up in the region and went to school there. Left for Ottawa. I'd say most of my friends left. I still read the Georgia straight and follow the news. It is kind of home after all but one I will never go back to.

Where does the youth diaspora in Vancouver lead to? The suburbs? Other cities in Canada or the US?

by Yhippa 11y ago

Where does the youth diaspora in Vancouver lead to? The suburbs? Other cities in Canada or the US?

jhou2 11y ago

A lot of the young people go back to Asia for better jobs after graduating. Silicon Valley and Seattle are popular destinations. Also some move to Toronto or Montreal.

anuj_nm 11y ago

I went to UBC, Vancouver from my undergrad. A large part of my friends moved to the US (since the exchange rate works in your favor). Calgary and Toronto are also popular.

Zanta 11y ago

Suburbs of Toronto for me and several of my friends from my time at UBC. A lot of us were transplants from across the country, tried to hack it professionally in Vancouver before eventually being driven elsewhere by job and housing prospects.

serge2k 11y ago

Loads go to the US. TN is easy to get and you can get close to (or more than) 50% higher salary (not including exchange rate, before tax).

generalpf 11y ago
You have to lie and say you're a systems analyst to get a TN visa. (Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.)
- serge2k 11y ago
  Correct, although it's a small lie as you still submit paperwork which states what your job actually entails (albeit with an emphasis on design and such over actual programming every day).

swizerguos 11y ago

After ubc I went back to the states along with everyone else who got the chance - otherwise calgary, Toronto and montreal, or asia. Kids in Asia who have ubc/northamerican degrees are treated like golden children from what I hear. A former roommate from jakarta said he applied to langara cause even that's prestigious lol

kentt 11y ago

I'm an hour outside of Vancouver in Abbotsford. Housing is still high, 300k for a single detached unit, but it's very liveable.

empressplay 11y ago
A modest house in the suburbs of Victoria is 400K now so that's not too bad, really.
- rconti 11y ago
  Price is reasonable, but an hour outside Vancouver is damn far.

cperciva 11y ago

The suburbs? There's a lot of this, yes. And the suburbs aren't necessarily very suburban: I live in a 30 floor condo tower in Burnaby, and within 2 block radius there's a dozen similar towers and twenty more 30-60 floor towers in various stages of zoning hearings (8) / building approval (7) / digging big holes (2) / towers going up (3). There are two major phenomena at play in Vancouver: 1. Across Metro Vancouver, the supply of land for single family detached houses is very constrained; this is pushing prices of detached houses up dramatically. 2. The City of Vancouver proper is very hostile to development, due to a toxic combination of NIMBYism, height restrictions to maintain "view corridors" of the nearby mountains, and social activists who think that building more housing will somehow make housing less affordable. But if you're willing to live in a condo and you don't mind living a 20 minute train ride away from downtown, the cost of housing is far more reasonable than hysterical media reports would have you believe; and unlike detached houses, prices of condos have barely kept up with inflation over the past decade.

darryl42 11y ago
How confident are you of not getting a multi hundred thousand dollar assessment when the condo starts leaking or otherwise falling apart? Owning a condo worries me, no control over the maintenance, no ability to do any changes to it, no space to start a family.
- cperciva 11y ago
  The roof on your house can suddenly start leaking, too. Vancouver was plagued by "leaky condos" in the 1980s and early 1990s, but that's over now: This happened due to a rapid expansion of condo construction using building designs suited for a drier climate. There have been no signs of problems in newer buildings. Stata corporations are normally supposed to have depreciation reports prepared in order to identify upcoming costs; unfortunately these can be waived with a vote of unit holders, and most do. The best remedy here is to not buy a unit which doesn't have a recent depreciation report. no space to start a family In terms of $ per unit floor area, condos are cheaper than detached houses. Sure, you don't get a lawn... but you get access to lots of other amenities. I'm not convinced that raising kids in a condo is as hard as people think.

goalieca 11y ago

I grew up in the region and went to school there. Left for Ottawa. I'd say most of my friends left. I still read the Georgia straight and follow the news. It is kind of home after all but one I will never go back to.