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"If students are subsidized then colleges will lose incentive to provide a proper education." My college was subsidized because of an in-state tuition and stat

by dalke 11y ago

"If students are subsidized then colleges will lose incentive to provide a proper education." My college was subsidized because of an in-state tuition and state scholarship. Do you think my college didn't provide a proper education? My high school was subsidized. Do you think it didn't provide a proper education? Many if not most colleges in Western Europe are free or highly subsidized. [1] Do you think they have lost interest in providing a proper education? California colleges until the 1980s had no tuition. (See http://www.nytimes.com/1982/12/28/science/california-weighs-end-of-free-college-education.html http://www.nytimes.com/1982/12/28/science/california-weighs-... - "The California Postsecondary Education Commission recommended earlier this month that the state abandon one of the cornerstones of its college and university system, a pledge that the state will pay instructional expenses for all residents.") Do you think Berkley, UCLA, etc. had lost their incentive to provide a proper education until the 1980s, when students started to pay tuition again for the first time in decades? No, your concern doesn't seem warranted given past and current experience in providing free education. [1] Various countries: Germany - "For a many years there have been no tuition fees in Germany" - http://www.internationale-studierende.de/en/prepare_your_studies/financing/cost_of_education/ http://www.internationale-studierende.de/en/prepare_your_stu... France - "For the majority of courses at most universities youll have to pay only 181 EUR a year for a bachelors degree (there are exceptions engineering courses tend to cost more for example), 250 EUR per year for a masters course and 380 EUR per year for a PhD. .. With these additional costs, in some public universities the tuition fees can reach as far as EUR 2.000/year." Sweden - "If you have citizenship in a European Union (EU) or European Economic Area (EEA) country*, or Switzerland, you are not required to pay application or tuition fees." https://www.universityadmissions.se/en/All-you-need-to-know1/Applying-for-studies/Fees-and-scholarships/EUEEA-citizens-exempt-from-fees/ https://www.universityadmissions.se/en/All-you-need-to-know1...

jostmey 11y ago
The US is not Europe. US colleges already abuse their student population by increasing tuition costs faster than inflation. I do not believe the cost of providing an education has gone up---actually the Internet has made the cost of accessing knowledge free, and colleges pay adjunct professors next to nothing. Colleges charge whatever they can get away with. And they can charge a lot because tuition loans are subsidized.
- dalke 11y ago
  California is in the US, not Europe. Your hypothesis is: "If students are subsidized then colleges will lose incentive to provide a proper education". I showed many examples where that is not true. Some are in Europe. Some were in the US. There are still schools in the US which are tuition free, or in the case of Cooper Union, had no tuition until recently. Your followup comment now concerns a different topic. While it's an important one to answer, it is only indirectly related to being able to 'provide a proper education' as we have the existence proof that the University of California system provided an excellent free college education.

by dalke 11y ago

jostmey 11y ago

The US is not Europe. US colleges already abuse their student population by increasing tuition costs faster than inflation. I do not believe the cost of providing an education has gone up---actually the Internet has made the cost of accessing knowledge free, and colleges pay adjunct professors next to nothing. Colleges charge whatever they can get away with. And they can charge a lot because tuition loans are subsidized.

dalke 11y ago
California is in the US, not Europe. Your hypothesis is: "If students are subsidized then colleges will lose incentive to provide a proper education". I showed many examples where that is not true. Some are in Europe. Some were in the US. There are still schools in the US which are tuition free, or in the case of Cooper Union, had no tuition until recently. Your followup comment now concerns a different topic. While it's an important one to answer, it is only indirectly related to being able to 'provide a proper education' as we have the existence proof that the University of California system provided an excellent free college education.