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HN seems to have what amounts to a systematic ban on buzzfeed, even though their news org helped break this story (and many others).

maxerickson 11y ago
There are several highly voted and discussed Buzzfeed articles in just the last couple days: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=buzzfeed&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=buzzfeed&sort=byDate&prefix&pa... The previous increment of the Zenefits saga was one of them. I guess given that many of their articles aren't real topical here there is probably a penalty for the site, but it doesn't stop everything.
mortenjorck 11y ago
Buzzfeed's curious chimaera of its trademark virally-targeted fluff content and a burgeoning hard news organization probably merits at least some kind of reconsideration of the penalty applied to submissions on HN. It would be nice if Buzzfeed had something like a separate subdomain for its non-trivial content, but I'm not aware of any such thing that would enable automated differentiation.
dang 11y ago
Of course we don't: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=buzzfeed.com https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=buzzfeed.com. Two of the biggest HN stories from the past two days alone were from Buzzfeed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11075336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11075336, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11061992 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11061992. Usually the complaint I hear is "why is Buzzfeed on HN". Buzzfeed is one of a class of sites that produce a lot of dreck as well as the occasional high-quality article. There are many such sites, mostly media outlets. HN's solution is to penalize them (a little) by default, but take the penalty off under different circumstances, such as if a moderator sees than an article is good or the submitter has a solid track record. This has proven to be a reasonable compromise. The alternatives—not penalizing these sites at all or banning them altogether—are a lot more problematic, which is how we arrived at this strategy in the first place.
- jacques_chester 11y ago
  We had a techtalk from the head of Buzzfeed's quizzes -- those annoying ones that overran Facebook about a year ago. One of the things he said is that internally, Buzzfeed is actually three different groups. One of them is a team of straight-up, legitimate investigative reports. That's why every once in a while Buzzfeed break a big story and everyone sits around saying "Buzzfeed?"
  - colmvp 11y ago
    It's really funny. People say Buzzfeed? And I'm like, who do you think is making money right now, our national newspaper or Buzzfeed? Who do you think is hiring instead of being forced to let go of high quality journalists, our national newspaper or Buzzfeed? Look beyond the brand and into the details and the journalist. Buzzfeed News is legit. Unlike a lot of media sources, they've found a way to be profitable and output quality articles.
- robbiemitchell 11y ago
  Buzzfeed has proven itself by now to be a legitimate news source, even if the money is coming from the other division (clickbait). And not just tech stories: when big-name publications cut their education coverage entirely, Buzzfeed hired a reporter dedicated to it. I would expect similar penalizing treatment of other "mixed-quality" sources like Quora, Forbes, Techcrunch, Business Insider, etc.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    The problem isn't the legitimacy of Buzzfeed; it's that the low-quality content comes from the same domain as the high-quality stuff, and so if you do nothing to penalize that domain, you get cat pictures on the front page. It's not a moral judgement, but rather a practical measure.
    - minimaxir 11y ago
      > it's that the low-quality content comes from the same domain as the high-quality stuff But is the low-quality content being submitted to Hacker News? To my knowledge, I've never seen a traditional listicle in the /new page.

maxerickson 11y ago

There are several highly voted and discussed Buzzfeed articles in just the last couple days: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=buzzfeed&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=buzzfeed&sort=byDate&prefix&pa... The previous increment of the Zenefits saga was one of them. I guess given that many of their articles aren't real topical here there is probably a penalty for the site, but it doesn't stop everything.

mortenjorck 11y ago

Buzzfeed's curious chimaera of its trademark virally-targeted fluff content and a burgeoning hard news organization probably merits at least some kind of reconsideration of the penalty applied to submissions on HN. It would be nice if Buzzfeed had something like a separate subdomain for its non-trivial content, but I'm not aware of any such thing that would enable automated differentiation.

dang 11y ago

Of course we don't: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=buzzfeed.com https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=buzzfeed.com. Two of the biggest HN stories from the past two days alone were from Buzzfeed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11075336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11075336, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11061992 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11061992. Usually the complaint I hear is "why is Buzzfeed on HN". Buzzfeed is one of a class of sites that produce a lot of dreck as well as the occasional high-quality article. There are many such sites, mostly media outlets. HN's solution is to penalize them (a little) by default, but take the penalty off under different circumstances, such as if a moderator sees than an article is good or the submitter has a solid track record. This has proven to be a reasonable compromise. The alternatives—not penalizing these sites at all or banning them altogether—are a lot more problematic, which is how we arrived at this strategy in the first place.

jacques_chester 11y ago
We had a techtalk from the head of Buzzfeed's quizzes -- those annoying ones that overran Facebook about a year ago. One of the things he said is that internally, Buzzfeed is actually three different groups. One of them is a team of straight-up, legitimate investigative reports. That's why every once in a while Buzzfeed break a big story and everyone sits around saying "Buzzfeed?"
- colmvp 11y ago
  It's really funny. People say Buzzfeed? And I'm like, who do you think is making money right now, our national newspaper or Buzzfeed? Who do you think is hiring instead of being forced to let go of high quality journalists, our national newspaper or Buzzfeed? Look beyond the brand and into the details and the journalist. Buzzfeed News is legit. Unlike a lot of media sources, they've found a way to be profitable and output quality articles.
robbiemitchell 11y ago
Buzzfeed has proven itself by now to be a legitimate news source, even if the money is coming from the other division (clickbait). And not just tech stories: when big-name publications cut their education coverage entirely, Buzzfeed hired a reporter dedicated to it. I would expect similar penalizing treatment of other "mixed-quality" sources like Quora, Forbes, Techcrunch, Business Insider, etc.
- tptacek 11y ago
  The problem isn't the legitimacy of Buzzfeed; it's that the low-quality content comes from the same domain as the high-quality stuff, and so if you do nothing to penalize that domain, you get cat pictures on the front page. It's not a moral judgement, but rather a practical measure.
  - minimaxir 11y ago
    > it's that the low-quality content comes from the same domain as the high-quality stuff But is the low-quality content being submitted to Hacker News? To my knowledge, I've never seen a traditional listicle in the /new page.