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Vote for devices? Companies? Jake, the election is rigged! Walk with me down this garden path, if you please... :) Regulation of the manufacture and distrib

Vote for devices? Companies? Jake, the election is rigged! Walk with me down this garden path, if you please... :) Regulation of the manufacture and distribution of medicine is a good thing. 'Regulation' just means that corporations and individuals aren't blindly trusted to do the right thing with regards to medicine. That's because bad medicine generally has a profound impact on people's lives. Somebody could put some bad medicine in a bottle, but there are actually organizations checking for this and there are severe penalties. Cellphones aren't medicine, but the impact that a bad device can have on people's lives is growing every day. It would appear that each person's identity is largely composed of their memories and their internal processes, which were also shaped by their experiences. As devices become our primary source of information, the devices become more important. More powerful and potentially more dangerous. Today, Samsung (for example) would never get away with filtering all negative news articles about a particular political candidate out of all their users' feeds. Nor would they get away with inserting positive chatter about their own devices. For how long will that be true? We have to establish some sort of minimum quality standard for the devices through which we are going to experience life. Yes, rules!

jakeogh 11y ago
If you want a unlocked phone, then buy one. Asking for more restrictions makes you _less_ free, and costs more. What you are suggesting is to take money from others so you can be ignorant about what electronics you are buying. "As devices become our primary source of information, the devices become more important. More powerful and potentially more dangerous." Ya, hence governments want power over them. How's that kill switch working for ya? Oh, no InternetID? Sorry, you need that to surf since the Safe Internet Act of 2021, and no, we can't sell you a phone without the Safe Internet Chip, because rules.
- daveloyall 11y ago
  Your comment has been downvoted, I guess. I don't see why. I think the is important so I'm willing to walk/think through your argument. Of course! :) That's discourse. The kill switch and blackbox chips are exactly the sort of thing I want to avoid. I'm not sure how we'd get there from the rule I want. I guess the rule I want is "No machine shall disobey its owner". And device manufactures could be punished if they sell devices that are found to disobey their owners. Seems to me that would address the fritz chip, and the kill switch, etc. Related: are all rules inherently bad? Or do we just have a lot of bad ones and no reason to think new ones would be better?
  - jakeogh 11y ago
    I appreciate that. I prob lost a few points on snark. To your question, if you ask for people to make rules for you, don't be surprised when they make rules you don't like. The vast majority of the time, power acts to increase it's influence.
ufmace 11y ago
Regardless of the arguments over whether something like this is the proper place of Government, it seems likely that, if anything, this is going the exact opposite way. The vast majority of users have neither the ability or interest to keep devices safe and free of malware etc, and are welcoming locked-down devices and walled garden app stores. Those who want to hack and tinker are the tiny minority.
- jakeogh 11y ago
  True. Is this lack of desire to control our brain extensions set stone? It's possible (I consider it inevitable) that power will over-step it's expected boundaries. The statistical person might then care about their root access. In my experience, if presented in the right way, they care now.
SixSigma 11y ago
If you want some extra food for thought on FDA activity, have a quick look through the Drug Recall List The last 60 days had 46 drug recalls : http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/DrugRecalls/default.htm http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/DrugRecalls/default.htm Or medical equipment : http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/safety/default.htm http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/safety/default.htm I read every one for food for a University paper and I'm surprised anyone is still alive!

jakeogh 11y ago

If you want a unlocked phone, then buy one. Asking for more restrictions makes you _less_ free, and costs more. What you are suggesting is to take money from others so you can be ignorant about what electronics you are buying. "As devices become our primary source of information, the devices become more important. More powerful and potentially more dangerous." Ya, hence governments want power over them. How's that kill switch working for ya? Oh, no InternetID? Sorry, you need that to surf since the Safe Internet Act of 2021, and no, we can't sell you a phone without the Safe Internet Chip, because rules.

daveloyall 11y ago
Your comment has been downvoted, I guess. I don't see why. I think the is important so I'm willing to walk/think through your argument. Of course! :) That's discourse. The kill switch and blackbox chips are exactly the sort of thing I want to avoid. I'm not sure how we'd get there from the rule I want. I guess the rule I want is "No machine shall disobey its owner". And device manufactures could be punished if they sell devices that are found to disobey their owners. Seems to me that would address the fritz chip, and the kill switch, etc. Related: are all rules inherently bad? Or do we just have a lot of bad ones and no reason to think new ones would be better?
- jakeogh 11y ago
  I appreciate that. I prob lost a few points on snark. To your question, if you ask for people to make rules for you, don't be surprised when they make rules you don't like. The vast majority of the time, power acts to increase it's influence.

ufmace 11y ago

Regardless of the arguments over whether something like this is the proper place of Government, it seems likely that, if anything, this is going the exact opposite way. The vast majority of users have neither the ability or interest to keep devices safe and free of malware etc, and are welcoming locked-down devices and walled garden app stores. Those who want to hack and tinker are the tiny minority.

jakeogh 11y ago
True. Is this lack of desire to control our brain extensions set stone? It's possible (I consider it inevitable) that power will over-step it's expected boundaries. The statistical person might then care about their root access. In my experience, if presented in the right way, they care now.

SixSigma 11y ago

If you want some extra food for thought on FDA activity, have a quick look through the Drug Recall List The last 60 days had 46 drug recalls : http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/DrugRecalls/default.htm http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/DrugRecalls/default.htm Or medical equipment : http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/safety/default.htm http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/safety/default.htm I read every one for food for a University paper and I'm surprised anyone is still alive!