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In Germany, a "study" is often cited saying that men were better paid than women. However, peer review uncovered that the media covering this study omitted the

by frign 11y ago

In Germany, a "study" is often cited saying that men were better paid than women. However, peer review uncovered that the media covering this study omitted the fact that the women also worked less hours than men and thus got less money (obviously). This however does not stop "female-rights-activists" from citing it over and over again. I'm sick of it. I also don't like the notion that women are portraied as victims here. Most women I know don't want to go into tech-jobs because they think it's fucking boring. Live with it, people! I know it's also due to socialization, but do we really want to change the entire society just to shoehorn exactly 50% in our employee statistics? Who benefits from this? I know no woman who is sad because she just can't get hold in a tech job. If a woman is passionate about something, and pursues it, it will work out for her. Same with men of course. Oh, and why don't people go berserk because we have like 96% women as educators (kindergartens, pre-schools, ...). Oh yeah, right, I know, because you can't earn as much money with that.

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lsgrep 11y ago
the fact that the women also worked less hours than men Why is that? Could it be that women are still subject to traditional roles, even in advanced countries like Germany? http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/files/epo_campaign/country-profile_germany_en.pdf http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/files/epo_campai... Or maybe that women of a certain age are discriminated against during the hiring process because of maternity leave? https://books.google.com/books?id=26FB_ny0tVsC&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=discrimination+against+women+of+childbearing+age+germany&source=bl&ots=7nQHGaSavK&sig=v-e9AjoKhz7PxHzaUOfwPXD_7zw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz3IXkqu7KAhUMy2MKHbCWA2gQ6AEINjAD#v=onepage&q=child-bearing&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=26FB_ny0tVsC&pg=PA114&lpg=... Or any of those many other reasons that people talk about that explain the statistic? The issue isn't as black and white as you want to make it. I know it's also due to socialization, but do we really want to change the entire society just to shoehorn exactly 50% in our employee statistics? Diversity increases performance. So yes, yes we do. Most women I know don't want to go into tech-jobs because they think it's fucking boring. Live with it, people! I guess all those programmers who were originally women back when men saw it is as "secretary" work and there wasn't a lot of money in it just absolutely found technology boring. Or all those game-designers/programmers who were women, before it became popular and the market crashed? No, you're right, there can be no other explanations. If a woman is passionate about something, and pursues it, it will work out for her. Just have to navigate all that there discrimination and sexual harassment and it'll be totally fine. Oh, and why don't people go berserk because we have like 96% women as educators Perhaps we can discuss why men aren't seeking those positions.

by frign 11y ago

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lsgrep 11y ago

the fact that the women also worked less hours than men Why is that? Could it be that women are still subject to traditional roles, even in advanced countries like Germany? http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/files/epo_campaign/country-profile_germany_en.pdf http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/files/epo_campai... Or maybe that women of a certain age are discriminated against during the hiring process because of maternity leave? https://books.google.com/books?id=26FB_ny0tVsC&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=discrimination+against+women+of+childbearing+age+germany&source=bl&ots=7nQHGaSavK&sig=v-e9AjoKhz7PxHzaUOfwPXD_7zw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz3IXkqu7KAhUMy2MKHbCWA2gQ6AEINjAD#v=onepage&q=child-bearing&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=26FB_ny0tVsC&pg=PA114&lpg=... Or any of those many other reasons that people talk about that explain the statistic? The issue isn't as black and white as you want to make it. I know it's also due to socialization, but do we really want to change the entire society just to shoehorn exactly 50% in our employee statistics? Diversity increases performance. So yes, yes we do. Most women I know don't want to go into tech-jobs because they think it's fucking boring. Live with it, people! I guess all those programmers who were originally women back when men saw it is as "secretary" work and there wasn't a lot of money in it just absolutely found technology boring. Or all those game-designers/programmers who were women, before it became popular and the market crashed? No, you're right, there can be no other explanations. If a woman is passionate about something, and pursues it, it will work out for her. Just have to navigate all that there discrimination and sexual harassment and it'll be totally fine. Oh, and why don't people go berserk because we have like 96% women as educators Perhaps we can discuss why men aren't seeking those positions.