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> Anyone trying to get around the rules is just cheating, so why should doping be excused? Perhaps a better question is: why are there rules against doping in

by arcanus 11y ago

> Anyone trying to get around the rules is just cheating, so why should doping be excused? Perhaps a better question is: why are there rules against doping in the first place? As the xkcd notes, 'some performance enhancements are ok, some are bad', and the line is rather arbitrary at this point.

coliveira 11y ago
I see very practical reasons: first of all, uncontrolled use of substances can endanger the life of participants. Why should someone add a sporting rule that can endanger people?
- arcanus 11y ago
  > Why should someone add a sporting rule that can endanger people? Completely agree. The purpose of sport (in our modern day) is well-being. We should not force anyone to (within reason) be expected to hurt themselves. However, it strikes me that we are failing to use science in a way that could contribute to sport or human advancement in general. The vast majority of modern doping has no negative health outcomes. The steroid era of the 80s are gone. Many of the most pervasive forms of doping, such as blood doping, EPO, etc. naturally occur in your body. It has gotten so bad that the NCAA does not permit excessive coffee drinking, as it is considered a form of doping. Furthermore, if you permitted these forms of doping, then the marginal advantage of other more dangerous drugs would be reduced.
  - coliveira 11y ago
    I even agree that there should be some acknowledgement about this issue. But when it comes to the Armstrong discussion, this is a mute point. Even if doping were allowed from now on, it doesn't change the status of this practice in the past (i.e., cheating).
arjie 11y ago
Sports/games rules are inherently arbitrary. This is like asking why you can move while dribbling but not while just holding the ball in basketball. There is no why. There only is. Can you move while tossing the ball in the air repeatedly (dribbling against the sky)? No. Wait why? It's just like dribbling except upside down. It's just the rule. It's just the rule, man. The rules are what define the game. Why can't I start the bishop where the queen is? It's just the rule. Why can't I have an under inflated ball? Just the rule. Why can't I use a cricket bat in soccer? Just the rule.
- arcanus 11y ago
  In American Football, can you throw a forward pass? Or in Basketball, can you shoot three point shots? Both were not originally in those respective games, and were added. The rules of all sports are evolving, and will continue to do so. I'm not aware of any sport that restricts your diet, or the amount of exercise or training you can perform. Yet some chemical substances are arbitrarily banned. It is anti-science!

by arcanus 11y ago

coliveira 11y ago

I see very practical reasons: first of all, uncontrolled use of substances can endanger the life of participants. Why should someone add a sporting rule that can endanger people?

arcanus 11y ago
> Why should someone add a sporting rule that can endanger people? Completely agree. The purpose of sport (in our modern day) is well-being. We should not force anyone to (within reason) be expected to hurt themselves. However, it strikes me that we are failing to use science in a way that could contribute to sport or human advancement in general. The vast majority of modern doping has no negative health outcomes. The steroid era of the 80s are gone. Many of the most pervasive forms of doping, such as blood doping, EPO, etc. naturally occur in your body. It has gotten so bad that the NCAA does not permit excessive coffee drinking, as it is considered a form of doping. Furthermore, if you permitted these forms of doping, then the marginal advantage of other more dangerous drugs would be reduced.
- coliveira 11y ago
  I even agree that there should be some acknowledgement about this issue. But when it comes to the Armstrong discussion, this is a mute point. Even if doping were allowed from now on, it doesn't change the status of this practice in the past (i.e., cheating).

arjie 11y ago

Sports/games rules are inherently arbitrary. This is like asking why you can move while dribbling but not while just holding the ball in basketball. There is no why. There only is. Can you move while tossing the ball in the air repeatedly (dribbling against the sky)? No. Wait why? It's just like dribbling except upside down. It's just the rule. It's just the rule, man. The rules are what define the game. Why can't I start the bishop where the queen is? It's just the rule. Why can't I have an under inflated ball? Just the rule. Why can't I use a cricket bat in soccer? Just the rule.

arcanus 11y ago
In American Football, can you throw a forward pass? Or in Basketball, can you shoot three point shots? Both were not originally in those respective games, and were added. The rules of all sports are evolving, and will continue to do so. I'm not aware of any sport that restricts your diet, or the amount of exercise or training you can perform. Yet some chemical substances are arbitrarily banned. It is anti-science!