My point isn't a us vs them as much as it was showing that the early Soyuz program did results in fatalities and as such posting a curt "No, this is wrong" is f

My point isn't a us vs them as much as it was showing that the early Soyuz program did results in fatalities and as such posting a curt "No, this is wrong" is fairly disingenious. Also, the USSR engaged in cover-ups fairly routinely. The Nedelin disaster was covered up for 39 years, for example. This cost nearly 200 ground crew lives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe >The Apollo program killed three astronauts before they even left the pad. Again, this is public record. Again, the USSR was very dishonest with its space program. Having people still parrot their propaganda is ridiculous in this day and age. There is still a lot we don't know about the daily ins and outs of their program and pretending none of this happened is extremely disingenuous.