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Here's a brief outline of the "anti-gun lobby's" successes in the US: Prior to the Civil War: bans on concealed carry ostensibly to discourage dueling. Post-C
by hga 11y ago
Here's a brief outline of the "anti-gun lobby's" successes in the US:
Prior to the Civil War: bans on concealed carry ostensibly to discourage dueling.
Post-Civil War: bans mostly in the South on carry, or types of weapons allowed to be carried, to keep blacks disarmed.
Early 20ths Century: More widespread bans on carry, and restrictions on handgun ownership, prompted by the waves of non-Anglo-Saxon immigrants. New York's Sullivan Law, named after a gangster politician who disarmed his southern and eastern European rivals with it, is still the law of the land there.
The National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 was the first national level gun control law, which as a "compromise" didn't effectively ban the transfer of handguns.
Lots more where this came from with of course enforcement beyond the initially targeted populations, by the early '60s it was a big thing that Washington State passed a shall issue concealed carry licencing law.
Big push in the '50s and '60s to restrict gun ownership, especially of handguns (I've read many contemporaneous issues of the NRA's American Rifleman membership magazine that covered the Congressional hearings etc. on this, generally lead by the criminal Senator Thomas Dodd, ah, I see he also got LSD banned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Dodd#Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Dodd#Congress).
The Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968 completely changed the way guns were sold in the US, opened the door for massive abuses by the BATF that were well on their way to extinguishing the country's gun culture when party reversed in 1986, etc. etc. etc.
The anti-gun lobby was very much a thing that very year, the GCA pretty much marked the beginning of their greatest successes in the country. If we "reflexively" vilify the gun grabbers today, it's because it's been such a thing, and so strong for all of our adult lives for the majority of us (those of us less than 65 years old, including all Baby Boomers born starting in 1950, those of us less than 100 years old if you include that Federal effort to effectively ban handgun ownership with a $3,500 transfer tax in 2015 dollars).
- rosser 11y agoSee, that's exactly what I'm talking about with argument-poisoning. When you spout rhetoric like "gun-grabbers", you're telegraphing not merely disinterest in, but active disdain for productive discourse. You're effectively telling me that don't want to discuss the issues, you just want to regurgitate propaganda, and name-call everyone who doesn't toe your party's line. I mean, I know this is contemporary America, where taking a considered, nuanced position on any hot-button political issue is just asking to be pilloried by both sides (because somehow, we have this quasi-magical ability to reduce every meaningful question to two antithetical camps who proceed to do nothing but insult one another), but we're supposed to be smarter and better than that here. Isn't that what nerds have prided themselves on for as long as nerds have been a thing, being smarter than everyone else?
- hga 11y agoThere is absolutely no productive discourse to be had on this subject from the viewpoint of gun owners. That is point is hammered home by your harping on my mild rhetoric compared to your ""Mah cold, dead hands!" crowd reflexively vilifies today", without addressing a single one of my points about how you were wrong on every claimed fact in your posting I was replying to.