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The best discussion of the "Happy Birthday" copyright brouhaha is by the wonderful Vi Hart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVo0Q8G8tS8 https://www.youtube.com

by pdkl95 11y ago

The best discussion of the "Happy Birthday" copyright brouhaha is by the wonderful Vi Hart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVo0Q8G8tS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVo0Q8G8tS8 Not only is her biting commentary on the insanity in copyright law succinct and direct, her musical analysis of the differences between the original "Good Morning To All" and the modern "Happy Birthday" is very surprising. Did you know the song modulates to 4/4 time for one measure? Even though the song is always notated as never leaving 3/4?

andybak 11y ago
I think she's got it slightly wrong. It's not that one of the 3/4 bars gets an extra beat - it's the previous bar that loses a beat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVo0Q8G8tS8&feature=youtu.be&t=9m22s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVo0Q8G8tS8&feature=youtu.be... Listen to the bit after she says '4' - it sounds syncopated in her counting. (Actually - 'syncopated' might not be the correct word - what I mean is that the '1' ceases to sound like the start of the phrase)
- BHSPitMonkey 11y ago
  It's a fermata on the second beat of that measure. Holding a note doesn't mean you're changing the time signature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermata
  - pdkl95 11y ago
    Vi Hart makes a good case (in my opinion) that there is a change in time signature. It's clearly an extra beat, not a "hold of indeterminate length".
    - nocman 11y ago
      Except people do hold it for different lengths of time. Yes, there may be many people who hold it for about the same length of time, but an extra beat's worth of time is by no means universal. It's a fermata.
      - pdkl95 11y ago
        It may have a fermata in addition to the extra beat. The quarter-note (3/4) timing seems very rushed compared to how the song is currently sung in modern culture.
  - aczerepinski 11y ago
    It's definitely a fermata. Arguing otherwise is like saying the national anthem changes to 15/4 when singers hold "land of the freeeeeeeeeeeeee."
    - spacemanmatt 11y ago
      It's definitely a fermata. The fermata overrides the time signature temporarily. There is no need for a time change.
- pdkl95 11y ago
  I'm quite sure the other measures are in 3/4 time. Here's[1] a fairly typical notation (first from google image search). The previous measure would be the descending D-B-G quarter notes with the lyrics "birthday dear" (two beats for "birthday", one for "dear"). The next bar, which is notated in that image as a F-E legato slur only notates the E as a quarter note. If that was played as it is notated, the part where you say the person's name would sound very rushed. We probably started holding the E to allow time for longer names, and it just stuck. (I find it interesting that this image doesn't even include a fermata[2] on the E; it includes the triplets on "hap-py" which is not in the original, but rushes the name.) Also, there is a slight syncopation-like effect when she says "4" - that's the triplet effect where three notes are played in the time of two (in this case a dotted-eighth + sixteenth taking (2/3 + 1/3) of a quarter note in time). That's after the extra beat. [1] http://abcnotation.com/getResource/downloads/image/happy-birthday-to-you.png?a=trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/mirror/mindspring.com/~thornton.rose/HappyBirthday/0002 http://abcnotation.com/getResource/downloads/image/happy-bir... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermata

by pdkl95 11y ago

andybak 11y ago

I think she's got it slightly wrong. It's not that one of the 3/4 bars gets an extra beat - it's the previous bar that loses a beat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVo0Q8G8tS8&feature=youtu.be&t=9m22s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVo0Q8G8tS8&feature=youtu.be... Listen to the bit after she says '4' - it sounds syncopated in her counting. (Actually - 'syncopated' might not be the correct word - what I mean is that the '1' ceases to sound like the start of the phrase)

BHSPitMonkey 11y ago
It's a fermata on the second beat of that measure. Holding a note doesn't mean you're changing the time signature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermata
- pdkl95 11y ago
  Vi Hart makes a good case (in my opinion) that there is a change in time signature. It's clearly an extra beat, not a "hold of indeterminate length".
  - nocman 11y ago
    Except people do hold it for different lengths of time. Yes, there may be many people who hold it for about the same length of time, but an extra beat's worth of time is by no means universal. It's a fermata.
    - pdkl95 11y ago
      It may have a fermata in addition to the extra beat. The quarter-note (3/4) timing seems very rushed compared to how the song is currently sung in modern culture.
- aczerepinski 11y ago
  It's definitely a fermata. Arguing otherwise is like saying the national anthem changes to 15/4 when singers hold "land of the freeeeeeeeeeeeee."
  - spacemanmatt 11y ago
    It's definitely a fermata. The fermata overrides the time signature temporarily. There is no need for a time change.
pdkl95 11y ago
I'm quite sure the other measures are in 3/4 time. Here's[1] a fairly typical notation (first from google image search). The previous measure would be the descending D-B-G quarter notes with the lyrics "birthday dear" (two beats for "birthday", one for "dear"). The next bar, which is notated in that image as a F-E legato slur only notates the E as a quarter note. If that was played as it is notated, the part where you say the person's name would sound very rushed. We probably started holding the E to allow time for longer names, and it just stuck. (I find it interesting that this image doesn't even include a fermata[2] on the E; it includes the triplets on "hap-py" which is not in the original, but rushes the name.) Also, there is a slight syncopation-like effect when she says "4" - that's the triplet effect where three notes are played in the time of two (in this case a dotted-eighth + sixteenth taking (2/3 + 1/3) of a quarter note in time). That's after the extra beat. [1] http://abcnotation.com/getResource/downloads/image/happy-birthday-to-you.png?a=trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/mirror/mindspring.com/~thornton.rose/HappyBirthday/0002 http://abcnotation.com/getResource/downloads/image/happy-bir... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermata