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built my new project using AWS Lambda. Serverless. It's fucking awesome. - html and js files hosted on s3 - api gateway talking to dynamodb - no servers and

built my new project using AWS Lambda. Serverless. It's fucking awesome. - html and js files hosted on s3 - api gateway talking to dynamodb - no servers and worries about scaling. The only downside thing is that it's truly tough to figure out how to point your domain to s3. I followed everything and DNS is okay too yet the domain never resolves. Tested with route53 and after 1 month of trying gave up and using digitalocean's DNS manager. I implemented a token based HTTP Api, a fully functional Angular.js app that talks to it. Allow user to register, change passwords, login, create a blog. It definitely requires new type of thinking: throwing shit out. Seriously, I've built apps with Flask, Node.js, variety of PHP frameworks on Apache, Nginx, Java Web applications and I think that a serverless architecture blows everything out of the water. It's nice to know there's not a server anywhere. All of the HTTP requests are sent to AWS, and AWS runs a script that modifies or does things to the dynamodb. It feels me with so much excitement. I've yet to stress test it but I expect it to be highly scalable as AWS ramps things up. However, I don't think I will be using AppEngine because I'm so used to AWS now it feels like a lot of cost to switch over to Google....I'm afraid AppEngine is another Google+ moment. Guys, I really think serverless architecture is the way to go, and is the future!

skrebbel 11y ago
A nitpick: Calling AWS Lambda serverless is like when Salesforce called their software "no software" (back when SaaS was new). It's a nice marketing message but don't you think we're a bit above it here at HN? Of course there's a server, just not a Linux VM that you need to sysadmin by hand. I mean, really how much is Lambda more serverless than Heroku has been for years?
- deleted 11y ago
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- tyre 11y ago
  I disagree. With Lambda, you're not getting a server. No OS setup, no ip-tables, no weird compile errors, and no 5am pagers. You're paying for code to run. With Salesforce, you're not getting software. No installation, no packaging, no purchasing updates. You're paying for your team to centralize information. While I despise Salesforce for many reasons, it was a game-changer in the way enterprises thought about cloud software. GP's point was a similar mental shift in how we write that software.
  - cakoose 11y ago
    I don't think "not getting a server" is enough justification. With Gmail I don't get a server, but nobody calls it "serverless email". A server is still involved. It seems like an ill-fitting adjective even in a vacuum, but what's worse is that "serverless" is commonly used to describe something that runs entirely client-side (e.g. p2p). Just because AWS Lambda is a "mental shift" doesn't mean that "serverless" is a good way to describe it.
    - devonkim 11y ago
      Server-less is probably nomenclature that needs to be phased out like "Application Service Provider" or "CORBA." It focuses too much upon the implementation rather than the value. The value of not having a "server" in most cases is that you don't have to operationally manage a new host and incur all the cost of ownership of managing more infrastructure that does not directly add value to your business. Perhaps if you're pretty efficient it is better to take this on yourself, but for most companies the trend is accelerating against infrastructure management since most companies are decidedly not experts in managing compute, storage, and networks - I've seen a lot of places in the Fortune 500 and they are inefficient and ineffective at managing their IT as a rule because IT is a cost center normally. As for a better term, perhaps operationally-opaque or "pure service" are starting points? Service is correlated with stronger federation while p2p is decentralized as a rule. I'd rather avoid SOA which does not say anything about whether you have to manage the operations or dependencies - nobody is calling microservices as "server-less" after all. When people in companies talk about a "services" company they mean that the labor and overhead of management are all outsourced and as a customer you don't really care about how they operate as long as they don't violate certain OLAs and SLAs. AWS can run Lambda on marmot-based computing on Mars for all I care as long as it meets certain specs. Services compete on cost, SLAs (features are part of SLAs), and OLAs, period.
- nl 11y ago
  Others have pointed out that it is serverless from the service-owner's point of view. I think that is a important point. But there's another interesting thing that is relevant here. Because it is stateless, it it really is "serverless" in the sense of there being a single server associated with your code. They really could run it in disposable VMs ZeroVM[1] style. [1] http://www.zerovm.org/ http://www.zerovm.org/
- discodave 11y ago
  Isn't Lambda more serverless than Heroku because there is no concept of Dynos?
- jorgecurio 11y ago
  Fortunately, I don't have to worry and I leave that up to competent Amazon engineers. But yes, I didn't have to spin up any droplets or ec2 or worry about any of the layers involved with traditional server client development so the experience has been serverless for me. I'm well aware lambda runs on Amazon's servers :) Not having to worry about anything else except the code opens other doors.
jedberg 11y ago
> The only downside thing is that it's truly tough to figure out how to point your domain to s3. It should be fairly straightforward. In fact I just did it this morning. What issues did you run into? One tricky part that a lot of people miss is that you have to choose Alias: res in the record set properties.
- jorgecurio 11y ago
  I've created the route53 zone and pointed the nameservers using the route53 provided ones, made sure s3 bucket serves pages and the folder name is same as the domain, but when I run diagnosis everything comes back fine. Yet my domain just throws ERR_CONNECTION...I don't know it was frustrating because I think I followed the instruction a few times now and was far too difficult. Equally horrid is gandi.net's user interface for mangaing DNS records....
  - jedberg 11y ago
    What's the domain name?
discodave 11y ago
> It's nice to know there's not a server anywhere. To be clear AWS is running thousands of servers that make up Lambda, DynamoDB, S3 and friends. It's still fair to call Lambda "serverless" because you don't have to deal with any servers... but saying there are no servers anywhere is false.
oxplot 11y ago
Infinite scalability is all party until you get DDoSed and have to sell your house to pay the bills. How do you prevent that? Cloudfront maybe?
- ac360 11y ago
  API Gateway has DDoS protection.
- jorgecurio 11y ago
  not too worried because amazon seems pretty generous but no need for cloudfront, the API gateway itself handles DDOS. A lot of times I find this to be a needless worry because the only time you are going to get DDOSed is if you piss some script kiddies or you are big enough on a competitors radar.
  - oxplot 11y ago
    Didn't know about API gateway, so it's all good then. Also I meant to say "Cloudflare".

skrebbel 11y ago

A nitpick: Calling AWS Lambda serverless is like when Salesforce called their software "no software" (back when SaaS was new). It's a nice marketing message but don't you think we're a bit above it here at HN? Of course there's a server, just not a Linux VM that you need to sysadmin by hand. I mean, really how much is Lambda more serverless than Heroku has been for years?

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tyre 11y ago
I disagree. With Lambda, you're not getting a server. No OS setup, no ip-tables, no weird compile errors, and no 5am pagers. You're paying for code to run. With Salesforce, you're not getting software. No installation, no packaging, no purchasing updates. You're paying for your team to centralize information. While I despise Salesforce for many reasons, it was a game-changer in the way enterprises thought about cloud software. GP's point was a similar mental shift in how we write that software.
- cakoose 11y ago
  I don't think "not getting a server" is enough justification. With Gmail I don't get a server, but nobody calls it "serverless email". A server is still involved. It seems like an ill-fitting adjective even in a vacuum, but what's worse is that "serverless" is commonly used to describe something that runs entirely client-side (e.g. p2p). Just because AWS Lambda is a "mental shift" doesn't mean that "serverless" is a good way to describe it.
  - devonkim 11y ago
    Server-less is probably nomenclature that needs to be phased out like "Application Service Provider" or "CORBA." It focuses too much upon the implementation rather than the value. The value of not having a "server" in most cases is that you don't have to operationally manage a new host and incur all the cost of ownership of managing more infrastructure that does not directly add value to your business. Perhaps if you're pretty efficient it is better to take this on yourself, but for most companies the trend is accelerating against infrastructure management since most companies are decidedly not experts in managing compute, storage, and networks - I've seen a lot of places in the Fortune 500 and they are inefficient and ineffective at managing their IT as a rule because IT is a cost center normally. As for a better term, perhaps operationally-opaque or "pure service" are starting points? Service is correlated with stronger federation while p2p is decentralized as a rule. I'd rather avoid SOA which does not say anything about whether you have to manage the operations or dependencies - nobody is calling microservices as "server-less" after all. When people in companies talk about a "services" company they mean that the labor and overhead of management are all outsourced and as a customer you don't really care about how they operate as long as they don't violate certain OLAs and SLAs. AWS can run Lambda on marmot-based computing on Mars for all I care as long as it meets certain specs. Services compete on cost, SLAs (features are part of SLAs), and OLAs, period.
nl 11y ago
Others have pointed out that it is serverless from the service-owner's point of view. I think that is a important point. But there's another interesting thing that is relevant here. Because it is stateless, it it really is "serverless" in the sense of there being a single server associated with your code. They really could run it in disposable VMs ZeroVM[1] style. [1] http://www.zerovm.org/ http://www.zerovm.org/
discodave 11y ago
Isn't Lambda more serverless than Heroku because there is no concept of Dynos?
jorgecurio 11y ago
Fortunately, I don't have to worry and I leave that up to competent Amazon engineers. But yes, I didn't have to spin up any droplets or ec2 or worry about any of the layers involved with traditional server client development so the experience has been serverless for me. I'm well aware lambda runs on Amazon's servers :) Not having to worry about anything else except the code opens other doors.

jedberg 11y ago

> The only downside thing is that it's truly tough to figure out how to point your domain to s3. It should be fairly straightforward. In fact I just did it this morning. What issues did you run into? One tricky part that a lot of people miss is that you have to choose Alias: res in the record set properties.

jorgecurio 11y ago
I've created the route53 zone and pointed the nameservers using the route53 provided ones, made sure s3 bucket serves pages and the folder name is same as the domain, but when I run diagnosis everything comes back fine. Yet my domain just throws ERR_CONNECTION...I don't know it was frustrating because I think I followed the instruction a few times now and was far too difficult. Equally horrid is gandi.net's user interface for mangaing DNS records....
- jedberg 11y ago
  What's the domain name?

discodave 11y ago

> It's nice to know there's not a server anywhere. To be clear AWS is running thousands of servers that make up Lambda, DynamoDB, S3 and friends. It's still fair to call Lambda "serverless" because you don't have to deal with any servers... but saying there are no servers anywhere is false.

oxplot 11y ago

Infinite scalability is all party until you get DDoSed and have to sell your house to pay the bills. How do you prevent that? Cloudfront maybe?

ac360 11y ago
API Gateway has DDoS protection.
jorgecurio 11y ago
not too worried because amazon seems pretty generous but no need for cloudfront, the API gateway itself handles DDOS. A lot of times I find this to be a needless worry because the only time you are going to get DDOSed is if you piss some script kiddies or you are big enough on a competitors radar.
- oxplot 11y ago
  Didn't know about API gateway, so it's all good then. Also I meant to say "Cloudflare".