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I'm all for opinions in opposition of the norm but if you could provide references to your claims that would be much appreciated.

by bnchrch 11y ago

ocdtrekkie 11y ago
http://fortune.com/2016/01/13/google-self-driving-car-accidents/ http://fortune.com/2016/01/13/google-self-driving-car-accide... Ten of these would've been the Google car's fault. Given the mileage they've covered in 2015, and the number of accidents, they're terrible drivers statistically... to the point that a human is the safety device. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000022008&cycle=2014 http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000022008&... Congress, 2014 term. Many of the top recipients actually wrote letters on Congress letterhead begging the EU not to rule against Google, which is a fairly unprecedented action. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/04/two-googlers-take-top-white-house-tech-jobs/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/04/two-googlers-take-top... http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/09/white-houses-roster-starting-resemble-googles-list-former-employees/92855/ http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/09/white-houses-roste... Googlers take up some of the top technology positions in the White House, including "Chief Technology Officer". Eric Schmidt and other high ranking Googlers also visit the White House nearly weekly. Think they behaved themselves? Nope: http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/white-house-deputy-cto-andrew-mclaughlin-slapped-gmailing-googlers http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/white-house-deputy-cto-a... In case you're curious how Google's using their White House positions: It's to get money. http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/265932-obama-pledges-nearly-4-billion-for-self-driving-cars http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/265932-obama-pledge... And some more of our taxpayer dollars. While this article carefully avoids mentioning Chromebooks, they're now the leading purchased portable computers in schools, they're pictured in the header of this blog, and it's written by their "former" Googler, who is the CTO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/01/30/computer-science-all https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/01/30/computer-science-... That's a lot of strong government ties, but are they worried about regulation? Well... for the longest time they controlled the US's regulatory body too: http://www.buzzfeed.com/williamalden/ftc-commissioner-appears-to-defend-google-via-subtweet#.khLL8KvYjK http://www.buzzfeed.com/williamalden/ftc-commissioner-appear... The FTC was basically run by a paid Google shill, Joshua Wright, for the last couple of years. (The FTC reopened their investigation against Google within a month of him stepping down last year.) His pre-FTC behavior wasn't much on the ethical manner either: He was paid as a university professor to write "academic studies" supporting Google's legal views. One would wonder by the United States has been one of the slowest and most hesitant countries to regulate and pursue legal action against Google, until one does their research. Then it stops being much of a surprise at all.
- wingerlang 11y ago
  > These are encouraging numbers, says Chris Urmson, director of the self-driving project, because most of the incidents occurred early on. Only five took place during the 370,000 miles driven in 11 months of 2015, Urmson wrote in a blog posted on Medium. He expects the rate of these incidents to keep declining. I mean sure he is biased, but the link doesn't really seem all that negative to be honest. Of course it will have issues in the early stages.
  - ocdtrekkie 11y ago
    2015 isn't the first year their Self-Driving cars have been on the road. (Gotta wonder how many accidents they would've caused in 2014!) I picked a quick link while I was trying to find sources for the parent commenter's request. But the report comes from Google, to the California DMV, so you have to look at the numbers and facts, not their PR text around it. Urmson, of course, whitewashes Google's progress, it's his job. But if you look at the number of miles between safety-related takeovers, or these 'almost accidents', and compare to the estimate of human safety provided by insurance companies, it's hard to believe these cars are yet safe enough to trust on the road. The only reason they haven't been in an accident is because trained, professional humans have intervened. Self-Driving Cars will probably, eventually, be safer than humans, but Google's PR team has misled people on how far off that point is. Last year Urmson indicated that he wanted to have them ready for consumer use before his kid got his driver's license in four years. That's pretty unrealistic. Don't believe little old random Internet commenter me? Take it from Robert Scoble, who's been hyping self-driving cars for the last year: https://medium.com/@scobleizer/don-t-worry-uber-lyft-drivers-self-driving-cars-won-t-take-your-job-for-at-least-a-decade-3b8c58a7f102#.iw35iiwbi https://medium.com/@scobleizer/don-t-worry-uber-lyft-drivers... He's been to see or ride in a variety of self-driving car prototypes from a number of companies working on the problem.
    - wingerlang 11y ago
      > it's hard to believe these cars are yet safe enough to trust on the road Well yeah, but is anyone expecting them to be put onto the roads in the near near future?

I'm all for opinions in opposition of the norm but if you could provide references to your claims that would be much appreciated.

by bnchrch 11y ago

I'm all for opinions in opposition of the norm but if you could provide references to your claims that would be much appreciated.

ocdtrekkie 11y ago

http://fortune.com/2016/01/13/google-self-driving-car-accidents/ http://fortune.com/2016/01/13/google-self-driving-car-accide... Ten of these would've been the Google car's fault. Given the mileage they've covered in 2015, and the number of accidents, they're terrible drivers statistically... to the point that a human is the safety device. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000022008&cycle=2014 http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000022008&... Congress, 2014 term. Many of the top recipients actually wrote letters on Congress letterhead begging the EU not to rule against Google, which is a fairly unprecedented action. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/04/two-googlers-take-top-white-house-tech-jobs/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/04/two-googlers-take-top... http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/09/white-houses-roster-starting-resemble-googles-list-former-employees/92855/ http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/09/white-houses-roste... Googlers take up some of the top technology positions in the White House, including "Chief Technology Officer". Eric Schmidt and other high ranking Googlers also visit the White House nearly weekly. Think they behaved themselves? Nope: http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/white-house-deputy-cto-andrew-mclaughlin-slapped-gmailing-googlers http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/white-house-deputy-cto-a... In case you're curious how Google's using their White House positions: It's to get money. http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/265932-obama-pledges-nearly-4-billion-for-self-driving-cars http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/265932-obama-pledge... And some more of our taxpayer dollars. While this article carefully avoids mentioning Chromebooks, they're now the leading purchased portable computers in schools, they're pictured in the header of this blog, and it's written by their "former" Googler, who is the CTO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/01/30/computer-science-all https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/01/30/computer-science-... That's a lot of strong government ties, but are they worried about regulation? Well... for the longest time they controlled the US's regulatory body too: http://www.buzzfeed.com/williamalden/ftc-commissioner-appears-to-defend-google-via-subtweet#.khLL8KvYjK http://www.buzzfeed.com/williamalden/ftc-commissioner-appear... The FTC was basically run by a paid Google shill, Joshua Wright, for the last couple of years. (The FTC reopened their investigation against Google within a month of him stepping down last year.) His pre-FTC behavior wasn't much on the ethical manner either: He was paid as a university professor to write "academic studies" supporting Google's legal views. One would wonder by the United States has been one of the slowest and most hesitant countries to regulate and pursue legal action against Google, until one does their research. Then it stops being much of a surprise at all.

wingerlang 11y ago
> These are encouraging numbers, says Chris Urmson, director of the self-driving project, because most of the incidents occurred early on. Only five took place during the 370,000 miles driven in 11 months of 2015, Urmson wrote in a blog posted on Medium. He expects the rate of these incidents to keep declining. I mean sure he is biased, but the link doesn't really seem all that negative to be honest. Of course it will have issues in the early stages.
- ocdtrekkie 11y ago
  2015 isn't the first year their Self-Driving cars have been on the road. (Gotta wonder how many accidents they would've caused in 2014!) I picked a quick link while I was trying to find sources for the parent commenter's request. But the report comes from Google, to the California DMV, so you have to look at the numbers and facts, not their PR text around it. Urmson, of course, whitewashes Google's progress, it's his job. But if you look at the number of miles between safety-related takeovers, or these 'almost accidents', and compare to the estimate of human safety provided by insurance companies, it's hard to believe these cars are yet safe enough to trust on the road. The only reason they haven't been in an accident is because trained, professional humans have intervened. Self-Driving Cars will probably, eventually, be safer than humans, but Google's PR team has misled people on how far off that point is. Last year Urmson indicated that he wanted to have them ready for consumer use before his kid got his driver's license in four years. That's pretty unrealistic. Don't believe little old random Internet commenter me? Take it from Robert Scoble, who's been hyping self-driving cars for the last year: https://medium.com/@scobleizer/don-t-worry-uber-lyft-drivers-self-driving-cars-won-t-take-your-job-for-at-least-a-decade-3b8c58a7f102#.iw35iiwbi https://medium.com/@scobleizer/don-t-worry-uber-lyft-drivers... He's been to see or ride in a variety of self-driving car prototypes from a number of companies working on the problem.
  - wingerlang 11y ago
    > it's hard to believe these cars are yet safe enough to trust on the road Well yeah, but is anyone expecting them to be put onto the roads in the near near future?