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> Street congestion is increasingly a problem, not so much because it slows down private cars but because it slows down buses. Those bus delays in turn increase

by wdewind 11y ago

> Street congestion is increasingly a problem, not so much because it slows down private cars but because it slows down buses. Those bus delays in turn increase subway ridership, and overcrowding slows trains loading and unloading. I think the issue is population growth not matching funding (or Albany robbing us). I don't doubt that this contributes, but I'd be surprised to see people switching from buses to subway being a leading cause of subway congestion. > Although uber does probably deserve some of the blame t Again this seems like a really small thing. I doubt uber created many new taxis, so much as absorbed yellow/livery cabs. I'm sure it has an effect but I don't think it's the core issue. > The answer is a congestion fee like Bloomberg wanted to put in. 100% agreed with the congestion fee, bummed it didn't happen. > That leaves the majority of Manhattan with spare subway capacity to move people around. I don't think this is true. One of the reasons the green line is so overcrowded is because so many people work on that line. It's not only about where people live. If you put people next to the E, it doesn't mean they only take the E. > it is because of crowding on the Lexington line that I suggested densification should start at the south-west part of the neighborhood which has access to the sixth avenue line subways. I agree that we should rezone and that the preservation stuff is a nightmare.

bradleyjg 11y ago
>> That leaves the majority of Manhattan with spare subway capacity to move people around. > I don't think this is true. One of the reasons the green line is so overcrowded is because so many people work on that line. It's not only about where people live. If you put people next to the E, it doesn't mean they only take the E. First, I'm not sure that's the case. Most of the jobs in Manhattan are in midtown and downtown. Downtown all the lines converge and in midtown there's multiple crosstown subways. Sure if you work at Hunter College you have to take the Lexington line, but that's a relatively small number of people. Second, inasmuch as its about where you work rather than where you live it doesn't matter whether or not you put new housing in Manhattan. If you put it in Jersey City or Brooklyn you still need to get those people to work. A moritorium on new housing in the entire metro area is a non-starter. So from that POV, you might as well put them in Manhattan. -- Certainly though I agree that Albany and Washington should quit ripping us off so hard and that the MTA should be less dysfunctional. We could use more and better running mass transportation.
- wdewind 11y ago
  Yeah I was implying that the green line is the way most people get from BK, BX and upper manhattan into Midtown, where most of the jobs are. But yeah I pretty much agree with everything else you wrote. It's a tough situation.

by wdewind 11y ago

bradleyjg 11y ago

>> That leaves the majority of Manhattan with spare subway capacity to move people around. > I don't think this is true. One of the reasons the green line is so overcrowded is because so many people work on that line. It's not only about where people live. If you put people next to the E, it doesn't mean they only take the E. First, I'm not sure that's the case. Most of the jobs in Manhattan are in midtown and downtown. Downtown all the lines converge and in midtown there's multiple crosstown subways. Sure if you work at Hunter College you have to take the Lexington line, but that's a relatively small number of people. Second, inasmuch as its about where you work rather than where you live it doesn't matter whether or not you put new housing in Manhattan. If you put it in Jersey City or Brooklyn you still need to get those people to work. A moritorium on new housing in the entire metro area is a non-starter. So from that POV, you might as well put them in Manhattan. -- Certainly though I agree that Albany and Washington should quit ripping us off so hard and that the MTA should be less dysfunctional. We could use more and better running mass transportation.

wdewind 11y ago
Yeah I was implying that the green line is the way most people get from BK, BX and upper manhattan into Midtown, where most of the jobs are. But yeah I pretty much agree with everything else you wrote. It's a tough situation.