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I think you're looking at that very wrong. They want people to be able to decide what they do with their own bodies. That's leaves the maximum amount of room fo

I think you're looking at that very wrong. They want people to be able to decide what they do with their own bodies. That's leaves the maximum amount of room for everyone's opinion. You don't want it? Don't do it.

augb 11y ago
Except that there are two bodies, one is just attached with an umbilical cord.
- baldfat 11y ago
  You can rip that baby out (AKA C Section) and that baby lives. There has to be an issue when a 30+ week old fetus (Latin for little one) can be ripped apart piece by piece inside a mother's womb but if anyone did that to a new born outside the mother's womb that would be INSANE.
humanrebar 11y ago
> They want people to be able to decide what they do with their own bodies. I actually understand the argument. For all the rest of you know, I actually wrote the above response myself (I didn't, but I could have). The counterargument is that there are absolutely two people involved if a woman decides to abort on her due date. Even in liberal Western Europe abortions must be performed before certain gestation dates. Now, this sort of absolutism makes a kind of logical sense. The kind that also makes legalization of heroin a defensible position. And there are smart, compassionate people who want to legalize heroin. Just not the President and every candidate in the Democratic primary. Point being, there's no room for compromise on the abortion issue from the left. We could be talking about eight months versus seven months, what counts as a "medical exception", what forms of enforcement are fair, etc. But we're not. There's absolutely no room for compromise.
- DanBC 11y ago
  > Point being, there's no room for compromise on the abortion issue from the left. Did you mean left? There's lots of discussion on the left about what time limits should be set; or how many doctors you need to persuade; or what conditions could extend the time limits; etc. But from the right there's a blanket "no abortion, ever, for any reason", with fucking stupid comments like "First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."
  - humanrebar 11y ago
    My actual point was that the left is uncompromising as well. There are certainly absolutists on the right. The fact that you brought up a foam-at-the-mouth comment from a disgraced former politician seems like a point for the there's-too-much-partisanship-on-the-left-too column. There is actually common ground on the abortion issue, perhaps counter-intuitively. There is overwhelming support for reducing abortion rates, for example. The American people would absolutely be OK with a compromise that includes education, increased access to birth control, and bans on abortions after, say, 8 months of gestation.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      You've mentioned this 8 month thing a few times. You probably need to know that there are good reasons why a woman might need to get an abortion at 8 months. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22129580-200-the-world-needs-to-talk-about-child-euthanasia/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22129580-200-the-worl... Listening to anti-abortionists you'd think the woman just found the pregnancy inconvenient, when the reality is that the woman is going through an intensely traumatic time and having to cope with the loss of a much wanted child.

augb 11y ago

Except that there are two bodies, one is just attached with an umbilical cord.

baldfat 11y ago
You can rip that baby out (AKA C Section) and that baby lives. There has to be an issue when a 30+ week old fetus (Latin for little one) can be ripped apart piece by piece inside a mother's womb but if anyone did that to a new born outside the mother's womb that would be INSANE.

humanrebar 11y ago

> They want people to be able to decide what they do with their own bodies. I actually understand the argument. For all the rest of you know, I actually wrote the above response myself (I didn't, but I could have). The counterargument is that there are absolutely two people involved if a woman decides to abort on her due date. Even in liberal Western Europe abortions must be performed before certain gestation dates. Now, this sort of absolutism makes a kind of logical sense. The kind that also makes legalization of heroin a defensible position. And there are smart, compassionate people who want to legalize heroin. Just not the President and every candidate in the Democratic primary. Point being, there's no room for compromise on the abortion issue from the left. We could be talking about eight months versus seven months, what counts as a "medical exception", what forms of enforcement are fair, etc. But we're not. There's absolutely no room for compromise.

DanBC 11y ago
> Point being, there's no room for compromise on the abortion issue from the left. Did you mean left? There's lots of discussion on the left about what time limits should be set; or how many doctors you need to persuade; or what conditions could extend the time limits; etc. But from the right there's a blanket "no abortion, ever, for any reason", with fucking stupid comments like "First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."
- humanrebar 11y ago
  My actual point was that the left is uncompromising as well. There are certainly absolutists on the right. The fact that you brought up a foam-at-the-mouth comment from a disgraced former politician seems like a point for the there's-too-much-partisanship-on-the-left-too column. There is actually common ground on the abortion issue, perhaps counter-intuitively. There is overwhelming support for reducing abortion rates, for example. The American people would absolutely be OK with a compromise that includes education, increased access to birth control, and bans on abortions after, say, 8 months of gestation.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    You've mentioned this 8 month thing a few times. You probably need to know that there are good reasons why a woman might need to get an abortion at 8 months. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22129580-200-the-world-needs-to-talk-about-child-euthanasia/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22129580-200-the-worl... Listening to anti-abortionists you'd think the woman just found the pregnancy inconvenient, when the reality is that the woman is going through an intensely traumatic time and having to cope with the loss of a much wanted child.