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> As Google suggests, it strains credulity that Plaintiff or class members would forego access to a free Gmail account and higher quality Google Books or Google

> As Google suggests, it strains credulity that Plaintiff or class members would forego access to a free Gmail account and higher quality Google Books or Google Maps because their brief transcription of a single word might, indirectly or directly, facilitate Google’s profit earning Call me a data point to the contrary. I don't use gmail or Google Books at all, and Google Maps rarely. I contribute to OpenStreetMap. It sticks in the craw that whenever I use any Google Captcha-enabled site (even if the site's not owned by Google) I'm helping to increase the quality divide between Google Maps and OSM.

wvenable 11y ago
It really sticks in your craw that you are improving the quality of data, just because that data belongs to Google? Seems petty.
- _ZeD_ 11y ago
  can I sing you the little Blobby[0] song? [0] http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39
- rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
  Same as wanting to put your money in a credit union that invests your deposits in the community instead of a bank that spends it on executive bonuses.
  - maxerickson 11y ago
    Credit Unions tend to merge with each other instead of just growing organically, I think at least in part because the administrative employees can use the increase in size to justify larger compensation.
    - rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
      Depends on where you are. I live in an isolated college town with many regional banks and one well-liked credit union. I can't speak for people who live in big cities.
      - maxerickson 11y ago
        I'm a member of a relatively rural credit union that is merging with one of the other regional credit unions.
- creshal 11y ago
  Why should I help Google make money, for free? I'll gladly discuss their employment options if they need my help.
  - DannyBee 11y ago
    ""Plaintiff has not alleged any facts that plausibly suggest the few seconds it takes to type a second word is something for which a reasonable consumer would expect to receive compensation," US District Jacqueline Scott Corley wrote Wednesday in dismissing the suit. I guess you are in the same category as the plaintiff?
  - wvenable 11y ago
    You are helping Google make money for free whenever you are using one of their services. I fail to see the moral issue with that. If you don't want to help Google make money, don't use them.
    - Thirdegree 11y ago
      In their defence, reCaptcha are fairly ubiquitous. Very difficult to avoid.
  - morgante 11y ago
    > Why should I help Google make money, for free? Not for free, that's the point. You get access to Gmail.
    - creshal 11y ago
      ReCaptcha is not only used for GMail. I've never used GMail, in fact, yet I'm still filling out ten recaptchas a day.
- throwaway6845 11y ago
  I partly make my living through OSM. The better Google Maps gets, the less compelling OSM is, and therefore my earning power is reduced. Google has the right to compete, of course, it's just not in my interests to help them.
  - wvenable 11y ago
    If OSM is only compelling if Google Maps is equally inaccurate aren't we all a little less better off? And if Google maps is more accurate, aren't we all a little better off even if you prefer OSM?
    - monsieurbanana 11y ago
      He just said that his livelihood partly depends on OSM. That means that the answer to your questions is a resounding no. While on average we're better off, not everybody is, he in particular is worse off.
Tarks 11y ago
Can I call you someone that's invented a zero-sum scenario and is getting annoyed at their own misconception? You contribute and therefore probably benefit OSM, you're using a google captcha enabled site so you're benefiting from something on that site, that site benefited from the captcha service because they didn't have to write one themselves so could spend their time improving the site you're benefiting from. You're a link through which google captcha is benefiting OSM :)
talideon 11y ago
It doesn't usually though. It only contributes when you're asked to enter house numbers. The usual CAPTCHAs I see from them are the ones coming from their book scanning project, which I see as a public good. Are there any CAPTCHA providers out there who OSM could team up with to do the same?

wvenable 11y ago

It really sticks in your craw that you are improving the quality of data, just because that data belongs to Google? Seems petty.

_ZeD_ 11y ago
can I sing you the little Blobby[0] song? [0] http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39
rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
Same as wanting to put your money in a credit union that invests your deposits in the community instead of a bank that spends it on executive bonuses.
- maxerickson 11y ago
  Credit Unions tend to merge with each other instead of just growing organically, I think at least in part because the administrative employees can use the increase in size to justify larger compensation.
  - rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
    Depends on where you are. I live in an isolated college town with many regional banks and one well-liked credit union. I can't speak for people who live in big cities.
    - maxerickson 11y ago
      I'm a member of a relatively rural credit union that is merging with one of the other regional credit unions.
creshal 11y ago
Why should I help Google make money, for free? I'll gladly discuss their employment options if they need my help.
- DannyBee 11y ago
  ""Plaintiff has not alleged any facts that plausibly suggest the few seconds it takes to type a second word is something for which a reasonable consumer would expect to receive compensation," US District Jacqueline Scott Corley wrote Wednesday in dismissing the suit. I guess you are in the same category as the plaintiff?
- wvenable 11y ago
  You are helping Google make money for free whenever you are using one of their services. I fail to see the moral issue with that. If you don't want to help Google make money, don't use them.
  - Thirdegree 11y ago
    In their defence, reCaptcha are fairly ubiquitous. Very difficult to avoid.
- morgante 11y ago
  > Why should I help Google make money, for free? Not for free, that's the point. You get access to Gmail.
  - creshal 11y ago
    ReCaptcha is not only used for GMail. I've never used GMail, in fact, yet I'm still filling out ten recaptchas a day.
throwaway6845 11y ago
I partly make my living through OSM. The better Google Maps gets, the less compelling OSM is, and therefore my earning power is reduced. Google has the right to compete, of course, it's just not in my interests to help them.
- wvenable 11y ago
  If OSM is only compelling if Google Maps is equally inaccurate aren't we all a little less better off? And if Google maps is more accurate, aren't we all a little better off even if you prefer OSM?
  - monsieurbanana 11y ago
    He just said that his livelihood partly depends on OSM. That means that the answer to your questions is a resounding no. While on average we're better off, not everybody is, he in particular is worse off.

Tarks 11y ago

Can I call you someone that's invented a zero-sum scenario and is getting annoyed at their own misconception? You contribute and therefore probably benefit OSM, you're using a google captcha enabled site so you're benefiting from something on that site, that site benefited from the captcha service because they didn't have to write one themselves so could spend their time improving the site you're benefiting from. You're a link through which google captcha is benefiting OSM :)

talideon 11y ago

It doesn't usually though. It only contributes when you're asked to enter house numbers. The usual CAPTCHAs I see from them are the ones coming from their book scanning project, which I see as a public good. Are there any CAPTCHA providers out there who OSM could team up with to do the same?