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Clicking on an address defaults to fucking Apple Maps... Let me say that again: Apple Maps...

by largote 11y ago

LeoPanthera 11y ago
Not defending the behaviour, but Apple Maps has vastly improved.
dntrkv 11y ago
And? I use it on a daily basis and I have no problems with it whatsoever. Sure, some people had issues with it when it launched, but like anything else in tech, those issues were way overblown.
ino 11y ago
FWIW for Berlin, Apple Maps draws the transport lines and stations far better and nicer. Google draws the lines very imprecisely and doesn't show you tram lines, for example.
- kuschku 11y ago
  In my city, Google Maps has NO transit, NO satellite images since 2004, NO map data since 2010. Here maps has satellite and transit, and Apple Maps even has full 3D buildings. Following is a set of complaints I compiled last year when a Google employee asked me on reddit to post them more detail about my maps complaints. The usability of any Google product outside the US is a total disaster, and it’s a wonder how Google is able to keep any market share with their quality of service. NONE of this has been addressed since we started complaining in 2005 (!), except for one thing: that connection between two streets, which is closed with a fence, has been marked as closed. So now we have less people standing there trying to get through. > https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3559928,10.0734304,18z https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3559928,10.0734304,18z > http://imgur.com/a/DyRBT http://imgur.com/a/DyRBT > The map data on top is from the municipality, the map data on bottom from Google. > As you see, the street "Beim Bauernhaus" is completely missing, the "Kellerkate" is missing half the street, the connection between "Beim Bauernhaus" and "Kellerkate" is missing, the "Kl. Koppel" is missing parts of the street. > You currently have data from 2010 for this specific area. > The data you currently have access to from GeoBasis-DE is this: http://i.imgur.com/67TQeP8.png http://i.imgur.com/67TQeP8.png > At least the connection between Steinberg and Nienbrügger Weg is now marked as service path, until recently it was marked as street and people tried to get through there (there’s a fence making that impossible). > I won’t get too much into satellite data either, because yours is from 2004, too: > https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3530178,10.0703569,529m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3530178,10.0703569,529m/data... > https://www.here.com/?map=54.35308,10.07028,17,satellite https://www.here.com/?map=54.35308,10.07028,17,satellite > And the unavailability of Public Transit data for busses, etc. on Google Maps – which is available on Here.com – makes it unlikely that I, as a student using public transit all the time – am going to switch back.
  - level3 11y ago
    Conversely, Apple Maps still has no transit in Tokyo, rendering it completely unusable in one of the iPhone's largest markets. So don't extrapolate your city to the rest of the world.
    - Bud 11y ago
      Conversely, Google Maps is lame for transit everywhere in the world, whereas at least Apple Maps is making rapid progress here.
      - lhl 11y ago
        I visited a dozen+ countries in 4 continents last year - GMaps did a pretty decent (often great) job with public transit. In the cases where there was no/bad data, it usually had more to do with the transit authorities being jackasses than anything in Google's control (Melbourne in particular stuck out as being just terrible).
        terinjokes 11y ago
        After neither GMaps nor CityMapper having transit for Melbourne I just gave up and stood at the stop. :(
        lhl 11y ago
        Yeah, I couldn't believe how bad it was, especially since Sydney has been fine for years. Apparently the root of this was their transit agency's longtime refusal to open up their data: http://m.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/melbourne-public-transport-tram-train-bus-users-stranded-with-unusable-data-20140310-34hxv.html http://m.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/melbourne-pub... Some data was finally released last April (promised as part of an election reform campaign), but as of October there were still GMaps integration issues: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/victorian-government-google-pointing-fingers-over-public-transport-fail-20151021-gkexuj.html http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/victorian-g... I was involved in a lot of (too many) geo/transit/open data conversations in the late 2000s, and sadly, this kind of short-sighted/nonsensical thinking was all too common, and I'm sure persists in many of the places where people lay the blame on GMaps, when it's actually due to stonewalling bureaucrats.
lobster_johnson 11y ago
Apple Maps' reputation is much worse than it deserves. These days it is better than Google Maps, in my opinion: Better map pins, better graphical performance, better rendering style, better search.
- Crito 11y ago
  I agree that Apple Maps is currently better, but I attribute that mostly to the quality of Google Maps severely degrading in recent years. It has gotten so bad, that I've dusted off my old stand-alone GPS and keep it in my car's center console. Google Maps no longer has reliability that I can count on for a road trip.
  - charlesarthur 11y ago
    "I attribute that mostly to the quality of Google Maps severely degrading in recent years." Seriously? I can't see how that would happen unless you're living somewhere prone to dramatic road rebuilding. Or do you mean the quality of the Google Maps interface?
    - Crito 11y ago
      The interface and apps. Accurate maps aren't worth a damn, without a reliable way of accessing them.
- stordoff 11y ago
  > Apple Maps' reputation is much worse than it deserves I haven't used it since launch, so can't comment on its current performance, but AFAICT its reputation is due to how poor it was at launch. I tried it with three locations that Google Maps handled fine (small sample I know, but enough to put me off trying it further), and had problems with all three results (my house: low-res satellite imagery; my College: wrong website address; Cambridge Union Society: correct details, but location was about 50mi out). Hopefully its now better, but that initial impression is hard to shake. Edit: initially -> initial
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humbleMouse 11y ago
Apple Maps performs much worse for me on tmobile network in minneapolis. It takes me to wrong locations, locks up frequently, etc. I only use google maps now - much more stable and always takes me to the right place.

Clicking on an address defaults to fucking Apple Maps... Let me say that again: Apple Maps...

by largote 11y ago

Clicking on an address defaults to fucking Apple Maps... Let me say that again: Apple Maps...

LeoPanthera 11y ago

Not defending the behaviour, but Apple Maps has vastly improved.

dntrkv 11y ago

And? I use it on a daily basis and I have no problems with it whatsoever. Sure, some people had issues with it when it launched, but like anything else in tech, those issues were way overblown.

ino 11y ago

FWIW for Berlin, Apple Maps draws the transport lines and stations far better and nicer. Google draws the lines very imprecisely and doesn't show you tram lines, for example.

kuschku 11y ago
In my city, Google Maps has NO transit, NO satellite images since 2004, NO map data since 2010. Here maps has satellite and transit, and Apple Maps even has full 3D buildings. Following is a set of complaints I compiled last year when a Google employee asked me on reddit to post them more detail about my maps complaints. The usability of any Google product outside the US is a total disaster, and it’s a wonder how Google is able to keep any market share with their quality of service. NONE of this has been addressed since we started complaining in 2005 (!), except for one thing: that connection between two streets, which is closed with a fence, has been marked as closed. So now we have less people standing there trying to get through. > https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3559928,10.0734304,18z https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3559928,10.0734304,18z > http://imgur.com/a/DyRBT http://imgur.com/a/DyRBT > The map data on top is from the municipality, the map data on bottom from Google. > As you see, the street "Beim Bauernhaus" is completely missing, the "Kellerkate" is missing half the street, the connection between "Beim Bauernhaus" and "Kellerkate" is missing, the "Kl. Koppel" is missing parts of the street. > You currently have data from 2010 for this specific area. > The data you currently have access to from GeoBasis-DE is this: http://i.imgur.com/67TQeP8.png http://i.imgur.com/67TQeP8.png > At least the connection between Steinberg and Nienbrügger Weg is now marked as service path, until recently it was marked as street and people tried to get through there (there’s a fence making that impossible). > I won’t get too much into satellite data either, because yours is from 2004, too: > https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3530178,10.0703569,529m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3530178,10.0703569,529m/data... > https://www.here.com/?map=54.35308,10.07028,17,satellite https://www.here.com/?map=54.35308,10.07028,17,satellite > And the unavailability of Public Transit data for busses, etc. on Google Maps – which is available on Here.com – makes it unlikely that I, as a student using public transit all the time – am going to switch back.
- level3 11y ago
  Conversely, Apple Maps still has no transit in Tokyo, rendering it completely unusable in one of the iPhone's largest markets. So don't extrapolate your city to the rest of the world.
  - Bud 11y ago
    Conversely, Google Maps is lame for transit everywhere in the world, whereas at least Apple Maps is making rapid progress here.
    - lhl 11y ago
      I visited a dozen+ countries in 4 continents last year - GMaps did a pretty decent (often great) job with public transit. In the cases where there was no/bad data, it usually had more to do with the transit authorities being jackasses than anything in Google's control (Melbourne in particular stuck out as being just terrible).
      - terinjokes 11y ago
        After neither GMaps nor CityMapper having transit for Melbourne I just gave up and stood at the stop. :(
        lhl 11y ago
        Yeah, I couldn't believe how bad it was, especially since Sydney has been fine for years. Apparently the root of this was their transit agency's longtime refusal to open up their data: http://m.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/melbourne-public-transport-tram-train-bus-users-stranded-with-unusable-data-20140310-34hxv.html http://m.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/melbourne-pub... Some data was finally released last April (promised as part of an election reform campaign), but as of October there were still GMaps integration issues: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/victorian-government-google-pointing-fingers-over-public-transport-fail-20151021-gkexuj.html http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/victorian-g... I was involved in a lot of (too many) geo/transit/open data conversations in the late 2000s, and sadly, this kind of short-sighted/nonsensical thinking was all too common, and I'm sure persists in many of the places where people lay the blame on GMaps, when it's actually due to stonewalling bureaucrats.

lobster_johnson 11y ago

Apple Maps' reputation is much worse than it deserves. These days it is better than Google Maps, in my opinion: Better map pins, better graphical performance, better rendering style, better search.

Crito 11y ago
I agree that Apple Maps is currently better, but I attribute that mostly to the quality of Google Maps severely degrading in recent years. It has gotten so bad, that I've dusted off my old stand-alone GPS and keep it in my car's center console. Google Maps no longer has reliability that I can count on for a road trip.
- charlesarthur 11y ago
  "I attribute that mostly to the quality of Google Maps severely degrading in recent years." Seriously? I can't see how that would happen unless you're living somewhere prone to dramatic road rebuilding. Or do you mean the quality of the Google Maps interface?
  - Crito 11y ago
    The interface and apps. Accurate maps aren't worth a damn, without a reliable way of accessing them.
stordoff 11y ago
> Apple Maps' reputation is much worse than it deserves I haven't used it since launch, so can't comment on its current performance, but AFAICT its reputation is due to how poor it was at launch. I tried it with three locations that Google Maps handled fine (small sample I know, but enough to put me off trying it further), and had problems with all three results (my house: low-res satellite imagery; my College: wrong website address; Cambridge Union Society: correct details, but location was about 50mi out). Hopefully its now better, but that initial impression is hard to shake. Edit: initially -> initial
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humbleMouse 11y ago

Apple Maps performs much worse for me on tmobile network in minneapolis. It takes me to wrong locations, locks up frequently, etc. I only use google maps now - much more stable and always takes me to the right place.