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Could you please express your opinions without using the term "brainwashing"? I think Safari and iMessages are vastly superior to Chrome and Hangouts and that d

Could you please express your opinions without using the term "brainwashing"? I think Safari and iMessages are vastly superior to Chrome and Hangouts and that doesn't make me an idiot.

pyre 11y ago
Well, one thing about Safari is that upgrades seem to be tied to the OS. As a web developer, this makes testing things on different versions of Safari a bit difficult. Also, you have to upgrade the entire OS to get a new version of Safari, so if you were holding out on an OS upgrade you might be forced to upgrade if you need to test things on the latest version of Safari.
- bphogan 11y ago
  The alternative is that I need to have 30 versions of Chrome laying around because they update every week or two. Surely there has to be a middle ground. :)
  - pyre 11y ago
    Well, Chrome tends to be ahead of the curve on a lot of things. For example, you need to upgrade to El Capitan to get true flexbox support in Safari (or iOS9 on iOS devices). This coupled with the fact that Chrome users don't need to do an OS upgrade to get the latest version means that you don't need to do as much heavy testing on various versions of Chrome (in my experience... though it's not in a locked-down corporate environment).
    - millstone 11y ago
      Many, perhaps most mobile Chrome users do not run the latest Chrome, and there's many differences among vendors. See http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/02/chrome_continue.html http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/02/chrome_conti...
      - notatoad 11y ago
        Mobile chrome users are almost exclusively on the latest chrome. There are a lot of other chromium-based Android browsers using out of date chromium, but if you touch a chrome icon to get to the internet its probably real, up to date chrome. And at least on my site, most android users do seem to be using chrome rather than an OEM browser.
    - anonyfox 11y ago
      > Well, Chrome tends to be ahead of the curve on a lot of things True. Memory/CPU/Battery-usage ist painfully high. Better Performance? Even scrolling on bigger websites is sluggish at best. The only point of having chrome installed on my machine is because of it's DevTools... but I'm playing a lot with firefox Dev-Edition lately which seems to be superior here.
  - marincounty 11y ago
    I have a three year old MacBook. I would like to use Chrome, but it brings my laptop to a crawl. Almost unusuable. I just figured it was my 4 gigs of RAM, and everyone was having a problem with Chrome? You guys run Chrome with no problems? You must have more ram?
    - chipx86 11y ago
      My MacBook Pro is from 2012, but I have 16GB of RAM in it. I regularly have something like 10 windows with about 15 or so tabs in each. It can get bogged down at times, but generally works fine. Chrome wants RAM, so I think that's the real blocker in your case.
      - true_religion 11y ago
        Yes, I learned my lesson of thinking 4GB was good enough. It's better to have 8GB minimum, but best of all to get as much ram as possible on a machine.
        rgoodwintx 11y ago
        The extension "The Great Suspender" works wonders here; suspends tabs in the background when they've been idle, but you don't lose your place. It has singlehandedly made Chrome usable again for me, while simultaneously enabling my 40+ tab habit. 90% of the time you don't need the tab to be active, you just want it there so you can revisit later. (For me anyway.)
        TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
        Another vote for The Great Suspender. It's literally a must-have for Chrome users. I'm a tab maniac - 421 tabs open now. This wouldn't be possible without TGS (and 32GB RAM), and another extension called Tabli to index them all.
        ajmurmann 11y ago
        General computer buying rule: always buy as much ram as you can afford even if it seems like an insane amount at the time! One thing that drives me nuts about phones and tablets. I want to pay more money for more, more ram. Nothing impacts your devices life span more than the amount of ram.
- Eric_WVGG 11y ago
  I'm aware of all those things. I have different priorities than you. This does not mean that I’m worshipping at the altar of Jim Steve Jones Jobs and lost the ability to think for myself.
- paws 11y ago
  Did I miss something? I run Yosemite and the latest Safari, including point updates, runs fine. http://www.macworld.com/article/2987211/software-web/apple-releases-safari-9-for-yosemite.html http://www.macworld.com/article/2987211/software-web/apple-r...
- LoSboccacc 11y ago
  I hate ios safari with passion. Last release crashes a lot and it has the balls to blame the web page, so I have to run trough a lot of bogus crash bugs from users instead on working on real things.
  - Caballeras 11y ago
    I use iOS Safari all the time and have no crashes and it works just fine.
    - LoSboccacc 11y ago
      it's getting better now but still common enough. here's what it looks like http://www.appledystopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ios9-safari-error.png http://www.appledystopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ios9...
- S4M 11y ago
  I'm not an Apple user myself, but isn't what you describe something good for web developers as it ensures that your users can only have one version of Safari, as opposite to lots of older versions of Chrome, Firefox and IE?
  - dgoldstein 11y ago
    No it's pretty bad for web developers - everyone stuck on old versions of Safari just since they don't want the new os (or sometimes are on services that aren't supported any more). Whereas there's not much difference between someone on chrome 43 and 46, and chrome auto updates aggressively so we can ignore anything < 40 easily. Safari and IE are basically in the same boat of users being on old oses also being stuck on aging browsers. It's just that IE has been so much worse that we haven't had time to start complaining about Safari, but don't worry, that's coming very soon.
  - dgoldstein 11y ago
    No it's pretty bad for web developers - everyone stuck on old versions of Safari just since they don't want the new os (or sometimes are on services that aren't supported any more). Whereas there's not much difference between someone on chrome 43 and 46, and chrome auto updates aggressively so we can ignore anything < 40 easily. Safari and IE are basically in the same boat of users being on old oses also being stuck on aging browsers. It's just that IE has been so much worse that we haven't had time to start complaining about Safari, but don't worry, that's coming very soon.
tracker1 11y ago
How do I iMessage or FaceTime someone on an iPhone from my Android device? Do you just drop any friends that don't buy apple hardware?
- vegashacker 11y ago
  As for FaceTime I think you're SOL. As for iMessage, you can just SMS/MMS text and it's well integrated into the Messages app on both my phone and Mac. My messages to you just appear green instead of blue.
  - greggman 11y ago
    Nice friend. You end up costing me money if you SMS/MMS me while I'm not in your country.
    - kalleboo 11y ago
      Receiving SMS is usually free, even while roaming
      - greggman 11y ago
        I'm assuming you'd like me to reply. That reply will cost money. Checking AT&T they want a extra $10 a month to send 100 International SMS messages or $0.25 a message https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/international/long-distance.html https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/international/long-distanc...
        debaser121 11y ago
        There are ther messaging apps. I usually switch my green bubbles to skype or google hangouts
      - ChatSim 11y ago
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oksawe 11y ago
Thank you I completely agree. Chrome is garbage and I wouldn't trust google with my photos or calendar data.
- themartorana 11y ago
  You're missing out. Google Photos is a revelation. But condemn the company for a product because absolutes are the best way to think.
knowaveragejoe 11y ago
Chrome might not be the best, but Safari is very far behind. http://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/ http://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/

Could you please express your opinions without using the term "brainwashing"? I think Safari and iMessages are vastly superior to Chrome and Hangouts and that doesn't make me an idiot.

pyre 11y ago

Well, one thing about Safari is that upgrades seem to be tied to the OS. As a web developer, this makes testing things on different versions of Safari a bit difficult. Also, you have to upgrade the entire OS to get a new version of Safari, so if you were holding out on an OS upgrade you might be forced to upgrade if you need to test things on the latest version of Safari.

bphogan 11y ago
The alternative is that I need to have 30 versions of Chrome laying around because they update every week or two. Surely there has to be a middle ground. :)
- pyre 11y ago
  Well, Chrome tends to be ahead of the curve on a lot of things. For example, you need to upgrade to El Capitan to get true flexbox support in Safari (or iOS9 on iOS devices). This coupled with the fact that Chrome users don't need to do an OS upgrade to get the latest version means that you don't need to do as much heavy testing on various versions of Chrome (in my experience... though it's not in a locked-down corporate environment).
  - millstone 11y ago
    Many, perhaps most mobile Chrome users do not run the latest Chrome, and there's many differences among vendors. See http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/02/chrome_continue.html http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/02/chrome_conti...
    - notatoad 11y ago
      Mobile chrome users are almost exclusively on the latest chrome. There are a lot of other chromium-based Android browsers using out of date chromium, but if you touch a chrome icon to get to the internet its probably real, up to date chrome. And at least on my site, most android users do seem to be using chrome rather than an OEM browser.
  - anonyfox 11y ago
    > Well, Chrome tends to be ahead of the curve on a lot of things True. Memory/CPU/Battery-usage ist painfully high. Better Performance? Even scrolling on bigger websites is sluggish at best. The only point of having chrome installed on my machine is because of it's DevTools... but I'm playing a lot with firefox Dev-Edition lately which seems to be superior here.
- marincounty 11y ago
  I have a three year old MacBook. I would like to use Chrome, but it brings my laptop to a crawl. Almost unusuable. I just figured it was my 4 gigs of RAM, and everyone was having a problem with Chrome? You guys run Chrome with no problems? You must have more ram?
  - chipx86 11y ago
    My MacBook Pro is from 2012, but I have 16GB of RAM in it. I regularly have something like 10 windows with about 15 or so tabs in each. It can get bogged down at times, but generally works fine. Chrome wants RAM, so I think that's the real blocker in your case.
    - true_religion 11y ago
      Yes, I learned my lesson of thinking 4GB was good enough. It's better to have 8GB minimum, but best of all to get as much ram as possible on a machine.
      - rgoodwintx 11y ago
        The extension "The Great Suspender" works wonders here; suspends tabs in the background when they've been idle, but you don't lose your place. It has singlehandedly made Chrome usable again for me, while simultaneously enabling my 40+ tab habit. 90% of the time you don't need the tab to be active, you just want it there so you can revisit later. (For me anyway.)
        TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
        Another vote for The Great Suspender. It's literally a must-have for Chrome users. I'm a tab maniac - 421 tabs open now. This wouldn't be possible without TGS (and 32GB RAM), and another extension called Tabli to index them all.
      - ajmurmann 11y ago
        General computer buying rule: always buy as much ram as you can afford even if it seems like an insane amount at the time! One thing that drives me nuts about phones and tablets. I want to pay more money for more, more ram. Nothing impacts your devices life span more than the amount of ram.
Eric_WVGG 11y ago
I'm aware of all those things. I have different priorities than you. This does not mean that I’m worshipping at the altar of Jim Steve Jones Jobs and lost the ability to think for myself.
paws 11y ago
Did I miss something? I run Yosemite and the latest Safari, including point updates, runs fine. http://www.macworld.com/article/2987211/software-web/apple-releases-safari-9-for-yosemite.html http://www.macworld.com/article/2987211/software-web/apple-r...
LoSboccacc 11y ago
I hate ios safari with passion. Last release crashes a lot and it has the balls to blame the web page, so I have to run trough a lot of bogus crash bugs from users instead on working on real things.
- Caballeras 11y ago
  I use iOS Safari all the time and have no crashes and it works just fine.
  - LoSboccacc 11y ago
    it's getting better now but still common enough. here's what it looks like http://www.appledystopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ios9-safari-error.png http://www.appledystopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ios9...
S4M 11y ago
I'm not an Apple user myself, but isn't what you describe something good for web developers as it ensures that your users can only have one version of Safari, as opposite to lots of older versions of Chrome, Firefox and IE?
- dgoldstein 11y ago
  No it's pretty bad for web developers - everyone stuck on old versions of Safari just since they don't want the new os (or sometimes are on services that aren't supported any more). Whereas there's not much difference between someone on chrome 43 and 46, and chrome auto updates aggressively so we can ignore anything < 40 easily. Safari and IE are basically in the same boat of users being on old oses also being stuck on aging browsers. It's just that IE has been so much worse that we haven't had time to start complaining about Safari, but don't worry, that's coming very soon.
- dgoldstein 11y ago
  No it's pretty bad for web developers - everyone stuck on old versions of Safari just since they don't want the new os (or sometimes are on services that aren't supported any more). Whereas there's not much difference between someone on chrome 43 and 46, and chrome auto updates aggressively so we can ignore anything < 40 easily. Safari and IE are basically in the same boat of users being on old oses also being stuck on aging browsers. It's just that IE has been so much worse that we haven't had time to start complaining about Safari, but don't worry, that's coming very soon.

tracker1 11y ago

How do I iMessage or FaceTime someone on an iPhone from my Android device? Do you just drop any friends that don't buy apple hardware?

vegashacker 11y ago
As for FaceTime I think you're SOL. As for iMessage, you can just SMS/MMS text and it's well integrated into the Messages app on both my phone and Mac. My messages to you just appear green instead of blue.
- greggman 11y ago
  Nice friend. You end up costing me money if you SMS/MMS me while I'm not in your country.
  - kalleboo 11y ago
    Receiving SMS is usually free, even while roaming
    - greggman 11y ago
      I'm assuming you'd like me to reply. That reply will cost money. Checking AT&T they want a extra $10 a month to send 100 International SMS messages or $0.25 a message https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/international/long-distance.html https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/international/long-distanc...
      - debaser121 11y ago
        There are ther messaging apps. I usually switch my green bubbles to skype or google hangouts
    - ChatSim 11y ago
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oksawe 11y ago

Thank you I completely agree. Chrome is garbage and I wouldn't trust google with my photos or calendar data.

themartorana 11y ago
You're missing out. Google Photos is a revelation. But condemn the company for a product because absolutes are the best way to think.

knowaveragejoe 11y ago

Chrome might not be the best, but Safari is very far behind. http://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/ http://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/