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Neat idea, but it won't be adopted in third world countries. Its too complex, and if it requires any maintenance, it will be thrown away once it stops working.

by AaronM 11y ago

Neat idea, but it won't be adopted in third world countries. Its too complex, and if it requires any maintenance, it will be thrown away once it stops working. That's a common theme with these kinds of devices targeting poor nations.

thieving_magpie 11y ago
Though I see what you're saying and it is a problem, that seems too dismissive. Like any other technology, it can improve over time.
- spikej 11y ago
  What about the other side of the issue that doesn't plague third world nations: http://www.naturesplatform.com/health_benefits.html http://www.naturesplatform.com/health_benefits.html
pervycreeper 11y ago
Also it costs over 18USD annually to operate, not an insignificant expense.
glibgil 11y ago
The toilet is sold with a service contract. Try looking at it another way. This is a toilet that has a fraction of the waste of a traditional toilet. The waste leaves the home in the back of a truck driving on a road instead of in a sewer pipe. This is for areas that do not have sewer and may completely skip sewer as a sustainable revolution happens.
worik 11y ago
Third world? This could be useful where I live in Aotearoa. We use septic tanks in my corner of the country and many of us are switching to composting toilets. We could really use this sort of thing
collyw 11y ago
Really? I have found that things seem to a lot less disposable in third world countries. Saying that it does seem to have parts which aren't going to be easy to replace.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  > Saying that it does seem to have parts which aren't going to be easy to replace. Which makes it inherently disposable - if one of those parts breaks, they won't be able to fix it locally.
  - collyw 11y ago
    People in these places can be quite ingenious with physical hacks.
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      They can, though I'm having trouble imagining they'll be ingenious enough to fix things that require very precise engineering or nanofilters.
oilywater 11y ago
That's first world country mentality. Energy footprint of an average African is minuscule. They probably use and reuse quite a lot of stuff, efficiently without disposing it and requiring more energy for novelty production. One of the reasons for it is poverty, you really can't act like stuff is in abundance when it's not.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  It's about maintenance / serviceability. Unless it can be field-patched with duct tape and some clever woodworking, people in poor countries are going to be SOL when some crucial component breaks down. A device that can't be maintained locally is pretty much a throwaway, and as you say, they prefer to reuse quite a lot of stuff.
entee 11y ago
Absolutely. Membranes will foul, things will clog, it's basically doomed in a developing world environment. Re. Service contract/rental model, the economics of providing that service are extremely challenging. People who need this product have very little money to spare. The price would need to be set low enough, and in those price ranges the profit margin basically disappears. For other interesting companies doing this with these cost and pricing issues in mind see: http://www.xrunner-venture.com/ http://www.xrunner-venture.com/ http://resourcesanitation.com/ http://resourcesanitation.com/ Edit: full disclosure, second link is my brother's venture in the space. I've heard a lot about toilets over dinner for many years :)
- glibgil 11y ago
  The toilet OP linked to is a real toilet experience. Flush and forget with no exposure to what went down before you. These http://www.xrunner-venture.com/the-toilet/4586730377 http://www.xrunner-venture.com/the-toilet/4586730377, http://resourcesanitation.com/our-concept/ http://resourcesanitation.com/our-concept/ are nothing more than outhouses.
ChuckMcM 11y ago
I tend to agree with this, as a hobby project I've been designing a nominally self sufficient cost effective habitat for 500 to 2000 people (roughly 500 "family" groups). And sanitary waste disposal is an issue. My current thought is 'hole in the floor' type latrines and a wind (or solar) powered system which periodically dumps water through the system to move everything to the collection site. At that point you might be able to employ some of these techniques as a more generalized form of management.

by AaronM 11y ago

thieving_magpie 11y ago

Though I see what you're saying and it is a problem, that seems too dismissive. Like any other technology, it can improve over time.

spikej 11y ago
What about the other side of the issue that doesn't plague third world nations: http://www.naturesplatform.com/health_benefits.html http://www.naturesplatform.com/health_benefits.html

pervycreeper 11y ago

Also it costs over 18USD annually to operate, not an insignificant expense.

glibgil 11y ago

The toilet is sold with a service contract. Try looking at it another way. This is a toilet that has a fraction of the waste of a traditional toilet. The waste leaves the home in the back of a truck driving on a road instead of in a sewer pipe. This is for areas that do not have sewer and may completely skip sewer as a sustainable revolution happens.

worik 11y ago

Third world? This could be useful where I live in Aotearoa. We use septic tanks in my corner of the country and many of us are switching to composting toilets. We could really use this sort of thing

collyw 11y ago

Really? I have found that things seem to a lot less disposable in third world countries. Saying that it does seem to have parts which aren't going to be easy to replace.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
> Saying that it does seem to have parts which aren't going to be easy to replace. Which makes it inherently disposable - if one of those parts breaks, they won't be able to fix it locally.
- collyw 11y ago
  People in these places can be quite ingenious with physical hacks.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    They can, though I'm having trouble imagining they'll be ingenious enough to fix things that require very precise engineering or nanofilters.

oilywater 11y ago

That's first world country mentality. Energy footprint of an average African is minuscule. They probably use and reuse quite a lot of stuff, efficiently without disposing it and requiring more energy for novelty production. One of the reasons for it is poverty, you really can't act like stuff is in abundance when it's not.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
It's about maintenance / serviceability. Unless it can be field-patched with duct tape and some clever woodworking, people in poor countries are going to be SOL when some crucial component breaks down. A device that can't be maintained locally is pretty much a throwaway, and as you say, they prefer to reuse quite a lot of stuff.

entee 11y ago

Absolutely. Membranes will foul, things will clog, it's basically doomed in a developing world environment. Re. Service contract/rental model, the economics of providing that service are extremely challenging. People who need this product have very little money to spare. The price would need to be set low enough, and in those price ranges the profit margin basically disappears. For other interesting companies doing this with these cost and pricing issues in mind see: http://www.xrunner-venture.com/ http://www.xrunner-venture.com/ http://resourcesanitation.com/ http://resourcesanitation.com/ Edit: full disclosure, second link is my brother's venture in the space. I've heard a lot about toilets over dinner for many years :)

glibgil 11y ago
The toilet OP linked to is a real toilet experience. Flush and forget with no exposure to what went down before you. These http://www.xrunner-venture.com/the-toilet/4586730377 http://www.xrunner-venture.com/the-toilet/4586730377, http://resourcesanitation.com/our-concept/ http://resourcesanitation.com/our-concept/ are nothing more than outhouses.

ChuckMcM 11y ago

I tend to agree with this, as a hobby project I've been designing a nominally self sufficient cost effective habitat for 500 to 2000 people (roughly 500 "family" groups). And sanitary waste disposal is an issue. My current thought is 'hole in the floor' type latrines and a wind (or solar) powered system which periodically dumps water through the system to move everything to the collection site. At that point you might be able to employ some of these techniques as a more generalized form of management.