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"... is a cliche at this point and should be considered racist in India... " How is that racist? Expressing nationalism is not racist unless in specific other

"... is a cliche at this point and should be considered racist in India... " How is that racist? Expressing nationalism is not racist unless in specific other circumstances. In the U.S, Japanese and Korean auto makers were accused of stealing jobs and Latino Americans still are... I see it as a form of nationalism. [edited: to remove Europe and fix punctuation]

sremani 11y ago
Nationalism ? No Sir, this is protectionism and dare I say, Xenophobia.
- guelo 11y ago
  Whatever you call it it works really well and India is stupid to play by the colonialist's rules. Look at China, they banned or restricted all the western web companies now they're home to thriving new web giants. With all of India's world class programmers where is India's Baidu or Wechat or Weibo or Alibaba?
  - splintercell 11y ago
    Same place where France's Google, Germany's Amazon is at, they don't need it. China is wasting effort by creating things because they don't wanna use the things rest of the world uses, and the rest of the world doesn't wanna use their things because it would be giving power to a non-liberal democracy.
    - kamaal 11y ago
      >>Same place where France's Google, Germany's Amazon is at, they don't need it. Germany doesn't have their Amazon. They have their BMW's and Volkswagen's. That's their Amazon. >>China is wasting effort by creating things because they don't wanna use the things rest of the world uses So why did Ford have to create his company when Volkswagen existed? >>rest of the world doesn't wanna use their things because it would be giving power to a non-liberal democracy. Democracy doesn't mean two hoots in a world where economy dictates everything from domestic policy to international policy. Absolutely nothing wrong in being self sufficient. Being self sufficient has helped Asian economies more than we know. India and China both have nuclear programs, our own capabilities to run our space programs, and launch our satellite and take of ourselves and our economies. If anything we should be building our capabilities than depending on other nations.
    - coldtea 11y ago
      >Same place where France's Google, Germany's Amazon is at, they don't need it. Germany and France are 1/10 the population of India or smaller. India is 2x+ USA populations. >China is wasting effort by creating things because they don't wanna use the things rest of the world uses, and the rest of the world doesn't wanna use their things because it would be giving power to a non-liberal democracy. Then of course US citizens can have their cake and eat it too, both using what "the whole world uses" AND having control over them because its their services.
      - sremani 11y ago
        You need to read the glorious days of protectionism and economy of India from 1950-1990. 4% growth has its own nick-name, "Hindu rate of growth".
        kamaal 11y ago
        This has been debated to death. There is no evidence to prove this was wrong. People who are this childish to question government policy right after independence should understand prevailing conditions then. India just got free from a colonial power which had sneaked in with trade as a excuse and then ruined pretty much everything for the next 3 centuries. Conditions prevailing, Nehru did what he could. He saw what had emerged from partition riots and saw secularism as the most natural outcome. He realized the only way Indian borders that would ever be secure is we learn to be self sufficient, not just militarily, or with advanced weapons like Nuclear weapons. But with our indigenous economy, with our own industries, with our trained workforce and our own technology and manufacturing capabilities. If anything you should thank them, what we were was a predominantly peasant economy(like Bangladesh), we now have means to defend any invasion, we have our own nuclear weapons, we have our own space program, we developed a lot of early industrial and manufacturing capabilities. We built our own engineering, medical other academic institutions purely out of nothing. The period between 1950-1990 was a period of institution building. If you wish to look what has become of other countries with over zealous ideas look at Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Sri Lanka. In fact bulk of engineering education infrastructure in cities in Bangalore directly derives from industries like ITI, BEL et which were established in the city, fueling the demand.
    - thaumasiotes 11y ago
      > the rest of the world doesn't wanna use their things because it would be giving power to a non-liberal democracy Let's not get carried away. The rest of the world doesn't want to use their things due to a combination of (a) not knowing about the things; and (b) the things being in Chinese.
- kamaal 11y ago
  Not sure what you are talking about. Indians have been more than welcoming to other people. We have been screwed over thousands of years now. Refusing to be screwed and looking after your interests isn't racism or xenophobia.
splintercell 11y ago
In India Nationalism is a good word, whereas in the rest of the world it's an awful word because the rest of the world saw what Nationalism eventually takes you to (WW2, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan). Nobody in US who opposes foreign labor in US would ever wanna be called a 'Nationalist', it is the same thing as being called a racist(actually, it might even be worse).
- rohmish 11y ago
  Nationalism could be considered good thing if you are in early to mid 20th century. But today when we are this global, being this nationalist makes no sense. Yes I understand nationalism here is grounded in our freedom history but in todays world it makes no sense.

sremani 11y ago

Nationalism ? No Sir, this is protectionism and dare I say, Xenophobia.

guelo 11y ago
Whatever you call it it works really well and India is stupid to play by the colonialist's rules. Look at China, they banned or restricted all the western web companies now they're home to thriving new web giants. With all of India's world class programmers where is India's Baidu or Wechat or Weibo or Alibaba?
- splintercell 11y ago
  Same place where France's Google, Germany's Amazon is at, they don't need it. China is wasting effort by creating things because they don't wanna use the things rest of the world uses, and the rest of the world doesn't wanna use their things because it would be giving power to a non-liberal democracy.
  - kamaal 11y ago
    >>Same place where France's Google, Germany's Amazon is at, they don't need it. Germany doesn't have their Amazon. They have their BMW's and Volkswagen's. That's their Amazon. >>China is wasting effort by creating things because they don't wanna use the things rest of the world uses So why did Ford have to create his company when Volkswagen existed? >>rest of the world doesn't wanna use their things because it would be giving power to a non-liberal democracy. Democracy doesn't mean two hoots in a world where economy dictates everything from domestic policy to international policy. Absolutely nothing wrong in being self sufficient. Being self sufficient has helped Asian economies more than we know. India and China both have nuclear programs, our own capabilities to run our space programs, and launch our satellite and take of ourselves and our economies. If anything we should be building our capabilities than depending on other nations.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >Same place where France's Google, Germany's Amazon is at, they don't need it. Germany and France are 1/10 the population of India or smaller. India is 2x+ USA populations. >China is wasting effort by creating things because they don't wanna use the things rest of the world uses, and the rest of the world doesn't wanna use their things because it would be giving power to a non-liberal democracy. Then of course US citizens can have their cake and eat it too, both using what "the whole world uses" AND having control over them because its their services.
    - sremani 11y ago
      You need to read the glorious days of protectionism and economy of India from 1950-1990. 4% growth has its own nick-name, "Hindu rate of growth".
      - kamaal 11y ago
        This has been debated to death. There is no evidence to prove this was wrong. People who are this childish to question government policy right after independence should understand prevailing conditions then. India just got free from a colonial power which had sneaked in with trade as a excuse and then ruined pretty much everything for the next 3 centuries. Conditions prevailing, Nehru did what he could. He saw what had emerged from partition riots and saw secularism as the most natural outcome. He realized the only way Indian borders that would ever be secure is we learn to be self sufficient, not just militarily, or with advanced weapons like Nuclear weapons. But with our indigenous economy, with our own industries, with our trained workforce and our own technology and manufacturing capabilities. If anything you should thank them, what we were was a predominantly peasant economy(like Bangladesh), we now have means to defend any invasion, we have our own nuclear weapons, we have our own space program, we developed a lot of early industrial and manufacturing capabilities. We built our own engineering, medical other academic institutions purely out of nothing. The period between 1950-1990 was a period of institution building. If you wish to look what has become of other countries with over zealous ideas look at Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Sri Lanka. In fact bulk of engineering education infrastructure in cities in Bangalore directly derives from industries like ITI, BEL et which were established in the city, fueling the demand.
  - thaumasiotes 11y ago
    > the rest of the world doesn't wanna use their things because it would be giving power to a non-liberal democracy Let's not get carried away. The rest of the world doesn't want to use their things due to a combination of (a) not knowing about the things; and (b) the things being in Chinese.
kamaal 11y ago
Not sure what you are talking about. Indians have been more than welcoming to other people. We have been screwed over thousands of years now. Refusing to be screwed and looking after your interests isn't racism or xenophobia.

splintercell 11y ago

In India Nationalism is a good word, whereas in the rest of the world it's an awful word because the rest of the world saw what Nationalism eventually takes you to (WW2, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan). Nobody in US who opposes foreign labor in US would ever wanna be called a 'Nationalist', it is the same thing as being called a racist(actually, it might even be worse).

rohmish 11y ago
Nationalism could be considered good thing if you are in early to mid 20th century. But today when we are this global, being this nationalist makes no sense. Yes I understand nationalism here is grounded in our freedom history but in todays world it makes no sense.