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yes that is quite true. Australia has the only sensible policy in this. there is no need for their applications to be processed in Europe. just move them to a f

yes that is quite true. Australia has the only sensible policy in this. there is no need for their applications to be processed in Europe. just move them to a few islands or make a deal with Turkey or something. in fact, the EU is moving in this direction.

ptaipale 11y ago
The problem for EU is that Schengen is broken without effective controls of external borders. And the Schengen external border is particularly porous in Greece towards Turkey, because people can cross from Bodrum to Kos in any toy boat. And they will. Then there's also the traffic towards Lambedusa of Italy from Libya, and many other somewhat more difficult routes, but the idea is the same: bypass any border controls, and you can't be sent back. Of course, a number will drown trying these crossings, but by the time they are about to depart for this hop, they have already paid thousands of $ to traffickers, and if they choose not to try, they've lost their money for nothing. And once people are in Kos, Greece is not very interested in enforcing the Dublin protocol, and the people are free to move on towards their preferred target countries (Germany, Nordic countries, and UK; that latter one still has border controls at English Channel as they are not in Schengen). Nothing will stop this migration except EU-wide declaration that you can't get in as a spontaneous asylum seeker, you have to come via camp where your application is processed -- much like Australia. This is a very hard decision for EU leaders to make, as there has been so much grandstanding about the humanitarian superiority of EU countries (e.g. towards Australia). However, if nothing is done, this migration is the end of EU. Russia may yet decide to mix things up further by enabling transit of asylum seekers - it would be an even straighter and cheaper route to Finnish and Norwegian borders, and people wouldn't need to pass through the fairly hostile nations in Balkans. And then the only option for Finland and Norway would be to permanently close the border to Russia for all passengers.
- Khaine 11y ago
  Russia is in fact allowing transit of migrants[1] 1 http://neurope.eu/article/russia-is-using-asylum-seekers-to-pressure-finland/ http://neurope.eu/article/russia-is-using-asylum-seekers-to-...
  - ptaipale 11y ago
    But of course, how much Russia encourages operators on this route will have a great impact on the number of migrants on this route. Russian border guards belong to the security service, FSB, who in turn is direct control of Putin. No business of this type will thrive in Russia without the blessing of the president and his trusted business partners. But Russia has here a great chance of miscalculating and increasing pressure, making Finland close the border and even move towards NATO membership.

ptaipale 11y ago

The problem for EU is that Schengen is broken without effective controls of external borders. And the Schengen external border is particularly porous in Greece towards Turkey, because people can cross from Bodrum to Kos in any toy boat. And they will. Then there's also the traffic towards Lambedusa of Italy from Libya, and many other somewhat more difficult routes, but the idea is the same: bypass any border controls, and you can't be sent back. Of course, a number will drown trying these crossings, but by the time they are about to depart for this hop, they have already paid thousands of $ to traffickers, and if they choose not to try, they've lost their money for nothing. And once people are in Kos, Greece is not very interested in enforcing the Dublin protocol, and the people are free to move on towards their preferred target countries (Germany, Nordic countries, and UK; that latter one still has border controls at English Channel as they are not in Schengen). Nothing will stop this migration except EU-wide declaration that you can't get in as a spontaneous asylum seeker, you have to come via camp where your application is processed -- much like Australia. This is a very hard decision for EU leaders to make, as there has been so much grandstanding about the humanitarian superiority of EU countries (e.g. towards Australia). However, if nothing is done, this migration is the end of EU. Russia may yet decide to mix things up further by enabling transit of asylum seekers - it would be an even straighter and cheaper route to Finnish and Norwegian borders, and people wouldn't need to pass through the fairly hostile nations in Balkans. And then the only option for Finland and Norway would be to permanently close the border to Russia for all passengers.

Khaine 11y ago
Russia is in fact allowing transit of migrants[1] 1 http://neurope.eu/article/russia-is-using-asylum-seekers-to-pressure-finland/ http://neurope.eu/article/russia-is-using-asylum-seekers-to-...
- ptaipale 11y ago
  But of course, how much Russia encourages operators on this route will have a great impact on the number of migrants on this route. Russian border guards belong to the security service, FSB, who in turn is direct control of Putin. No business of this type will thrive in Russia without the blessing of the president and his trusted business partners. But Russia has here a great chance of miscalculating and increasing pressure, making Finland close the border and even move towards NATO membership.