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Reportedly, there are places in UK which don't recognize UK laws. edit: I mean practically, not formally. It's enough that violations of host country's laws st

Reportedly, there are places in UK which don't recognize UK laws. edit: I mean practically, not formally. It's enough that violations of host country's laws stay unreported and violations of whatever other norms are punished unofficially. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_... Getting people from oppressive cultures who end up living in isolation with others like them to suddenly start exercising their new rights is a hard problem which can't simply be wished out of existence.

iuguy 11y ago
[Citation Needed] This (certainly as far as I'm aware) isn't true. The laws and courts of England and Wales apply in England and Wales, and the relevant local laws and courts (e.g. Scottish laws in Scotland etc) apply elsewhere in the UK. In terms of Sharia, there is a voluntary arbitration system for civil issues as an alternative to the civil courts, the same as the Beth Din Jewish courts voluntarily used for Jewish civil issues in the UK.
- tachion 11y ago
  I think he was talking more about places like Luton, where number of times it was reported as a hostile place for britons with a message of 'this is a muslim place now' and unlawful enforcement of sharia laws on common people.
  - foldr 11y ago
    These claims reports are all complete nonsense and have been widely reported as such. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anders-breivik-trial-luton-residents-798424 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anders-breivik-trial-lu...
    - tachion 11y ago
      It's quite funny to say so, especially I've seen a (BBC, I think) news/document about exactly such things happening. Unless of course it was all fake, and they all were actors or it wasnt in Luton...
      - foldr 11y ago
        The daily mail article talks about two people who were arrested and charged for attempting to do this. Hardly evidence of a no go zone for police -- quite the opposite. You're repeating nonsense that's been widely debunked and not providing any sources.
    - tachion 11y ago
      Oh, and that too: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patrol-jailed-harassing-couple-holding-hands-men-drinking-bid-enforce-Sharia-law-East-London.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patro...
  - DanBC 11y ago
    It might have been reported, but it never happened.
    - tachion 11y ago
      Really? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patrol-jailed-harassing-couple-holding-hands-men-drinking-bid-enforce-Sharia-law-East-London.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patro...
      - sbuk 11y ago
        The Daily Mail is your source? You'll need to find something considerably more credible than the nonsense from that rag.
  - iuguy 11y ago
    There are many reasons to consider Luton to be hostile to Britons (Ryanair and EasyJet customer service for example), but political Islam isn't one.
hartpuff 11y ago
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_... From your link: Local police forces denied the claims [of no- go areas] Katie Hopkins could not name areas of Britain that were no-go areas because it would not be "legally accurate" British Prime Minister David Cameron described Steven Emerson as "clearly a complete idiot".
- coldtea 11y ago
  What else would "local police" do? Admit defeat? What the official police statements say, and reality on the streets for those living then can differ completely.
  - hartpuff 11y ago
    > What else would "local police" do? Admit defeat? What else would they do if the claims are not true? Either way, that instance was related to drug dealing, not Sharia law.
RobertKerans 11y ago
'Reportedly' being the operative word. And the reporting in question coming from (to be very charitable) slightly less than reliable sources. I get what you mean, it just doesn't seem to be reflected in actuality, and you have to be really careful here: those that support what you're saying are in large part from the far right of the political spectrum, often the extreme far right (eg Tommy Robinson), and figures they pull out are utterly suspect.

iuguy 11y ago

[Citation Needed] This (certainly as far as I'm aware) isn't true. The laws and courts of England and Wales apply in England and Wales, and the relevant local laws and courts (e.g. Scottish laws in Scotland etc) apply elsewhere in the UK. In terms of Sharia, there is a voluntary arbitration system for civil issues as an alternative to the civil courts, the same as the Beth Din Jewish courts voluntarily used for Jewish civil issues in the UK.

tachion 11y ago
I think he was talking more about places like Luton, where number of times it was reported as a hostile place for britons with a message of 'this is a muslim place now' and unlawful enforcement of sharia laws on common people.
- foldr 11y ago
  These claims reports are all complete nonsense and have been widely reported as such. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anders-breivik-trial-luton-residents-798424 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anders-breivik-trial-lu...
  - tachion 11y ago
    It's quite funny to say so, especially I've seen a (BBC, I think) news/document about exactly such things happening. Unless of course it was all fake, and they all were actors or it wasnt in Luton...
    - foldr 11y ago
      The daily mail article talks about two people who were arrested and charged for attempting to do this. Hardly evidence of a no go zone for police -- quite the opposite. You're repeating nonsense that's been widely debunked and not providing any sources.
  - tachion 11y ago
    Oh, and that too: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patrol-jailed-harassing-couple-holding-hands-men-drinking-bid-enforce-Sharia-law-East-London.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patro...
- DanBC 11y ago
  It might have been reported, but it never happened.
  - tachion 11y ago
    Really? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patrol-jailed-harassing-couple-holding-hands-men-drinking-bid-enforce-Sharia-law-East-London.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patro...
    - sbuk 11y ago
      The Daily Mail is your source? You'll need to find something considerably more credible than the nonsense from that rag.
- iuguy 11y ago
  There are many reasons to consider Luton to be hostile to Britons (Ryanair and EasyJet customer service for example), but political Islam isn't one.

hartpuff 11y ago

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_... From your link: Local police forces denied the claims [of no- go areas] Katie Hopkins could not name areas of Britain that were no-go areas because it would not be "legally accurate" British Prime Minister David Cameron described Steven Emerson as "clearly a complete idiot".

coldtea 11y ago
What else would "local police" do? Admit defeat? What the official police statements say, and reality on the streets for those living then can differ completely.
- hartpuff 11y ago
  > What else would "local police" do? Admit defeat? What else would they do if the claims are not true? Either way, that instance was related to drug dealing, not Sharia law.

RobertKerans 11y ago

'Reportedly' being the operative word. And the reporting in question coming from (to be very charitable) slightly less than reliable sources. I get what you mean, it just doesn't seem to be reflected in actuality, and you have to be really careful here: those that support what you're saying are in large part from the far right of the political spectrum, often the extreme far right (eg Tommy Robinson), and figures they pull out are utterly suspect.