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Sharia is not part of UK law and is not recognised by any UK court.

by sbuk 11y ago

robk 11y ago
Sharia courts are recognized as a legally binding arbitration system when used in that way
- hartpuff 11y ago
  So they're recognized in the same way as, say, a Jewish court would be, or in fact essentially any body would be?
- DanBC 11y ago
  No, they're not. https://fullfact.org/law/uks-sharia-courts/ https://fullfact.org/law/uks-sharia-courts/ > While feuding couples have to at least consider mediation before going to court, it doesn't override family law. A court has to sign off on any agreement made after divorce for it to be legally binding, and won't do so if the judge thinks it's unfair. > In 2013, the High Court was asked by an Orthodox Jewish couple to accept the ruling of a Jewish religious court on post-divorce family arrangements. The judge said that while the agreement would carry weight, it would be non-binding—neither party could get around English law by agreeing to abide by the decision of another tribunal.
nightspirit 11y ago
Reportedly, there are places in UK which don't recognize UK laws. edit: I mean practically, not formally. It's enough that violations of host country's laws stay unreported and violations of whatever other norms are punished unofficially. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_... Getting people from oppressive cultures who end up living in isolation with others like them to suddenly start exercising their new rights is a hard problem which can't simply be wished out of existence.
- iuguy 11y ago
  [Citation Needed] This (certainly as far as I'm aware) isn't true. The laws and courts of England and Wales apply in England and Wales, and the relevant local laws and courts (e.g. Scottish laws in Scotland etc) apply elsewhere in the UK. In terms of Sharia, there is a voluntary arbitration system for civil issues as an alternative to the civil courts, the same as the Beth Din Jewish courts voluntarily used for Jewish civil issues in the UK.
  - tachion 11y ago
    I think he was talking more about places like Luton, where number of times it was reported as a hostile place for britons with a message of 'this is a muslim place now' and unlawful enforcement of sharia laws on common people.
    - foldr 11y ago
      These claims reports are all complete nonsense and have been widely reported as such. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anders-breivik-trial-luton-residents-798424 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anders-breivik-trial-lu...
      - tachion 11y ago
        It's quite funny to say so, especially I've seen a (BBC, I think) news/document about exactly such things happening. Unless of course it was all fake, and they all were actors or it wasnt in Luton...
        foldr 11y ago
        The daily mail article talks about two people who were arrested and charged for attempting to do this. Hardly evidence of a no go zone for police -- quite the opposite. You're repeating nonsense that's been widely debunked and not providing any sources.
      - tachion 11y ago

Sharia is not part of UK law and is not recognised by any UK court.

by sbuk 11y ago

Sharia is not part of UK law and is not recognised by any UK court.

robk 11y ago

Sharia courts are recognized as a legally binding arbitration system when used in that way

hartpuff 11y ago
So they're recognized in the same way as, say, a Jewish court would be, or in fact essentially any body would be?
DanBC 11y ago
No, they're not. https://fullfact.org/law/uks-sharia-courts/ https://fullfact.org/law/uks-sharia-courts/ > While feuding couples have to at least consider mediation before going to court, it doesn't override family law. A court has to sign off on any agreement made after divorce for it to be legally binding, and won't do so if the judge thinks it's unfair. > In 2013, the High Court was asked by an Orthodox Jewish couple to accept the ruling of a Jewish religious court on post-divorce family arrangements. The judge said that while the agreement would carry weight, it would be non-binding—neither party could get around English law by agreeing to abide by the decision of another tribunal.

nightspirit 11y ago

Reportedly, there are places in UK which don't recognize UK laws. edit: I mean practically, not formally. It's enough that violations of host country's laws stay unreported and violations of whatever other norms are punished unofficially. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Contemporary_no-go_... Getting people from oppressive cultures who end up living in isolation with others like them to suddenly start exercising their new rights is a hard problem which can't simply be wished out of existence.

iuguy 11y ago
[Citation Needed] This (certainly as far as I'm aware) isn't true. The laws and courts of England and Wales apply in England and Wales, and the relevant local laws and courts (e.g. Scottish laws in Scotland etc) apply elsewhere in the UK. In terms of Sharia, there is a voluntary arbitration system for civil issues as an alternative to the civil courts, the same as the Beth Din Jewish courts voluntarily used for Jewish civil issues in the UK.
- tachion 11y ago
  I think he was talking more about places like Luton, where number of times it was reported as a hostile place for britons with a message of 'this is a muslim place now' and unlawful enforcement of sharia laws on common people.
  - foldr 11y ago
    These claims reports are all complete nonsense and have been widely reported as such. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anders-breivik-trial-luton-residents-798424 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anders-breivik-trial-lu...
    - tachion 11y ago
      It's quite funny to say so, especially I've seen a (BBC, I think) news/document about exactly such things happening. Unless of course it was all fake, and they all were actors or it wasnt in Luton...
      - foldr 11y ago
        The daily mail article talks about two people who were arrested and charged for attempting to do this. Hardly evidence of a no go zone for police -- quite the opposite. You're repeating nonsense that's been widely debunked and not providing any sources.
    - tachion 11y ago